(VICT) Re: come back
- From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:44:53 -0400
It is set to not allow attachments.
I did that to prevent viruses, but can change it if you want.
Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
and Judson, guiding golden
juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
Graduate Alumni Association Board
www.guidedogs.com
Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
Puppies are the joy at one end.
Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
Carolyn Alexander
----- Original Message -----
From: "The dark Count" <darkcount@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 5:46 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
The lsit seems to be stripping them off.
Thanks,
D C
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Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
Date: 26 Mar 2007
Date sent: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:12:20 -0700
From: "Sharonda Greenlaw" <sbgreenlaw@xxxxxxxxx>
To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
Send reply to: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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Ann,
I wasn't able to download the attachment either. They didn't come
through to me. Would you be willing to email me offlist the lessons by
Sandy? Thanks so much.
Sharonda & LD Rusty
On 3/26/07, Shelley L. Rhodes <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> yeah am glad to see you here at last.
>
>
> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> and Judson, guiding golden
> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> Graduate Alumni Association Board
> www.guidedogs.com
>
> Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> Carolyn Alexander
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheila Styron" <sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 10:54 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
>
>
> It's Sheila and Gretch. At long happily last, we're here!
>
> Sheila Styron, President
> Guide Dog Users, Inc.
> 816-363-3172
> sheilastyron@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ann Edie
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 9:39 PM
> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
>
>
> Hi, Dar,
>
> The people on this list, as well as many others who are blind or have
> low
> vision, have devised, shared, and adapted non-visual ways to train dogs
> and
> other animals using clicker training.
>
> Could you read Sandy's Basic Clicker Lessons from the attachment I sent
> to
> the list with my previous post? That document describes many non-visual
>
> techniques for working with our dogs using clicker training. I hope it
> gave
> you the idea about how it can be done.
>
> There is no reason why a totally blind person cannot use positive
> reinforcement and a yes answer signal. Just as we can handle our guide
> dogs
> using traditional methods, we can also handle them using positive
> methods.
> After all, our guides usually work right next to our sides, where it is
> easy
> to monitor what they are doing through our tactile and auditory senses.
> Now, if we were going to try handling a sheep herding dog or a field
> hunting
> dog, that might be more of a challenge for a blind handler. But using
> clicker training with our guides is really no problem.
>
> The address to send messages to this list is:
>
> VI-Clicker-Trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> I hope that is what you were asking for.
>
> Ann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dmgina" <dmgina@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 5:48 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
>
>
> >
> > I was told a total can't teach clicker training.
> > I don't see why not?
> > thanks,
> > I also need a message sent to me whit the address to write to this
> > list on
> > a
> > separate line.
> > I wish to make a folder for the list.
> > When I get a chance to go to the pet store I want to get a clicker
> that
> > will
> > go on my wrist so that I can use my hands.
> > Hope this makes since.
> >
> > I would have the clicker down so that I could click it,
> > But that is all.
> >
> >
> > --Dar
> > wishing a
> > backTpack
> > call me at
> > 406-259-1124
> > Every Saint has a past,
> > Every sinner has a future ,
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ann Edie" <annedie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 2:36 PM
> > Subject: (VICT) Re: come back
> >
> >
> >> Hi, Frank, (or do you prefer to be called DC?),
> >> I had just about finished writing a nice long response to your
> >> message, when my computer froze up and refused to respond. So I had
> >> to turn it off and back on again, and of course, the entire post I
> >> had written was gone somewhere irretrievable. So I'll give you a
> >> shorter version this time, and
> >> if you have questions about any of the particulars, please ask.
> >>
> >> First of all, I am answering your questions on the list rather than
> >> privately, because I want you to have the benefit of the support,
> >> experience, and expertise of all the fine trainers and clicker-only
> >> handlers who are in the group. I hope they will add their
> >> suggestions to mine and clarify anything that is fuzzy.
> >>
> >> I can fully empathize with your struggle to save your partnership
> >> with Jake, as I went through a similar struggle with both my second
> >> and my third guide
> >> dogs. It was a devastating experience for me, even though I had
> trained
> >> my
> >> pet dogs and competed with them in obedience matches, and I had
> worked
> >> successfully and happily with my first guide dog for nine years until
> his
> >> death.
> >>
> >> I don't know whether clicker training can save the partnership
> >> between
> >> you
> >> and Jake at this point. It is not easy to "unpoison" the poisoned
> cues
> >> and
> >> reestablish trust in a relationship. But you seem to really love
> Jake,
> >> and
> >> you seem to have a strong commitment to the partnership. So it is
> >> definitely worth a try.
> >>
> >> Remember: I am not a professional guide dog trainer. Any
> >> suggestions I may give are just my thoughts, nothing more. You must
> >> choose the measures and
> >> techniques you use with your dog. Only you can decide whether to
> follow
> >> the
> >> directions of your school and depend on them to evaluate the
> >> effectiveness
> >> of those measures and to decide whether or when to end a partnership
> with
> >> a
> >> dog, or whether to try something different and see if you get better
> >> results.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I think there is a lot you can do to make things right with
> >> Jake. The first thing I would do is find one or more really tasty
> >> treats that Jake can eat and loves, like bits of hotdog, tiny pieces
> >> of cooked chicken, tiny
> >> bits of cheese, or tiny liver snacks. Then I would get a waist pack
> or
> >> treat pouch and just get into the habit of wearing it all the time
> with
> >> some
> >> of those yummy treats in it.
> >>
> >> I will attach to this message Sandy Foushee's Basic Clicker Lessons.
> >> Sandy is one of our group members; she is a completely clicker,
> >> service dog trainer who has also owner-trained her own guide dog. I
> >> hope she will also
> >> jump in and give you some suggestions.
> >>
> >> Since Jake is already familiar with the clicker, you may not have to
> >> go back to the very beginning lessons with him. But it never hurts
> >> to review, especially when you want to begin a completely new way of
> >> relating with your
> >> partner.
> >>
> >> Secondly, I would definitely stop turning Jake loose to run in
> >> unfenced areas. He is obviously not ready for the recall under that
> >> level of stimulation. He can get lots of exercise with his guide
> >> work, with off-duty walks on leash, and with playing inside the house
>
> >> or on a long leash outside. The off leash running is obviously too
> >> stressful for you and too
> >> dangerous for Jake. And you don't want Jake practicing undesirable
> >> behaviors like running off and not responding to your recall cues.
> >>
> >> The other thing I would do is stop using corrections with your dog.
> >> I would use the leash and collar strictly to keep the dog within
> >> range and under control, but not jerk on the leash or use it to give
> >> corrections.
> >>
> >> I think the "touch" cue is the key to both Jake's recall and the
> >> distraction issues. If Jake understands that the click means that he
>
> >> has done what you
> >> want and that it will always be followed by a yummy treat, and if he
> >> knows
> >> that mugging will not produce treats, but that performing certain
> >> behaviors
> >> will cause treats to rain down upon him, then you are ready to start
> >> building a really strong and joyful targetting or touch response.
> >>
> >> As Sandy describes in her lessons, you will start with the "touch"
> >> response at very close range and in a quiet, familiar location. You
> >> will gradually
> >> build the response so that you can get it at greater distances, with
> >> higher
> >> levels of distraction, and with your hand at different heights and in
> >> different positions. You will practice this behavior, always in a
> fun
> >> and
> >> positive way, many times a day and in many locations within your
> >> home--during play, when you want him to come to you so that you can
> feed
> >> him
> >> or take him out for a walk, or for any other pleasant reason.
> >>
> >> I would not use any sort of recall cue when I want to catch the dog
> >> for reasons he considers unpleasant, like a bath, ear cleaning, or
> >> nail clipping. In those cases, I would simply go to where the dog is
>
> >> and clip on the leash to lead him where I want him to go. I would
> >> click and treat for
> >> his letting me approach and snap on the leash, and of course, during
> any
> >> unpleasant process, for patience and cooperation on his part. But
> when
> >> you
> >> give him that "Touch!" cue and he responds to it, you want only
> wonderful
> >> memorable things to happen to him, so that he will be eager to come
> to
> >> you
> >> from whatever he is doing and wherever he is.
> >>
> >> And, of course, you never, never want to correct or punish your dog
> >> when he responds to the cue and comes to you, no matter how angry and
>
> >> frustrated you
> >> are with him, and no matter what he did wrong before coming to you.
> You
> >> always want coming to you to be as exciting as opening Christmas
> >> presents!
> >> You want to be the most wonderful and interesting thing in your dog's
> >> world.
> >> When he responds to the "touch" cue, you will shower him with happy
> talk,
> >> hugs and pats, and delicious treats!
> >>
> >> Once he is eagerly and enthusiastically flying to you from within
> >> your apartment when he hears you say, "Jake, touch!", then you can
> >> take the show on the road. Ask him to touch your hand with his nose
> >> when you are at work,
> >> or on the bus, or standing at the bus stop, or anywhere else you go.
> >>
> >> Once the "touch" response is really strong and consistent, then you
> >> can start using it in slightly more distracting environments. You
> >> might start by sitting somewhere, like on a bench at the mall, where
> >> there are lots of
> >> people passing by, but not too close. You can practice having Jake
> touch
> >> your hand and get clicked and treated when no one is passing. After
> >> several
> >> repetitions, someone might pass within his "distraction zone", and
> >> perhaps
> >> he will turn his head to watch them. Before he can get really
> >> distracted,
> >> you will say "touch" and put your hand where Jake can very easily
> touch
> >> it,
> >> C/T! Continue practicing this, until Jake automatically looks toward
>
> >> you,
> >> expecting the click and treat, whenever another person comes within
> >> range.
> >>
> >> It may take many months to gradually build up a reliable and
> >> consistent recall at liberty and at distance. I would definitely
> >> keep Jake on leash, gradually increasing the length of the line, and
> >> practice recalls at gradually greater distances and with gradually
> >> greater levels of distraction. If he fails to respond at any time,
> >> you know that you have increased the criteria too fast or that the
> >> environment has rewarded him more highly for not coming than you have
>
> >> rewarded him for coming. Then you
> >> just have to drop back a few steps to a place where he is
> consistently
> >> responding correctly, and once again gradually build the behavior.
> >>
> >> As he becomes reliable and consistent with certain responses and
> >> situations, you can gradually reduce the value of the treats and the
> >> frequency of C/T.
> >> For example, when he reliably comes to you within the house, you can
> >> switch
> >> to kibble instead of the higher level treats and keep the "good
> stuff"
> >> for
> >> outside the house. And you can begin to string together several
> >> behaviors
> >> and C/T after the last behavior in the chain.
> >>
> >> You can also use the click and treat to reward his excellent guide
> >> behaviors, so that he will begin to think of the work itself as fun
> >> and rewarding. But I think I should save that discussion for another
>
> >> time. I think you will have plenty to work on for now.
> >>
> >> Do let us know how it is going and ask any questions you may have.
> >>
> >> Best of luck,
> >> Lots of Joy,
> >> Much success!
> >>
> >> Ann
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "The count" <darkcount@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 11:12 PM
> >> Subject: (VICT) come back
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi all.
> >>> I just subscribed to the list.
> >>> Name is Frank, and am working my first dog Jake, a black lab from
> >>> GDA.
> >>>
> >>> I am turning to clicker training in the hopes of saving a
> >>> deteriorating team if at all possible.
> >>>
> >>> Jake is already aclamated to the clicker, so that is not necessarily
>
> >>> the issue. My real concernt on top of all others is that he will not
>
> >>> come when called if he has decided to run.
> >>> So I am turning to the list and the experts in hopes that you will
> be
> >>> able to help me map out a set of steps to start him in the right
> way.
> >>>
> >>> I was able to work with him on come from a sit sstay, or a down stay
>
> >>> with no problem. Though it took a few minutes of follow and heal
> >>> with the clicker in my hand and bits of kibble.
> >>>
> >>> My real objective here is to get Jake to stop if he is getting near
> >>> the no no mark in a yard, or park, and to return to me. The only way
>
> >>> I know of doing this currently is to set targets as near as possible
>
> >>> to the spot, and correct violently, something which puts as much
> >>> stress and disappointment in the results on both of us.
> >>>
> >>> I live in an apartment, and currently have no acquaintances with a
> >>> back yard, so have to run Jake in a semi-enclosed area which
> >>> requires that Jake learn the no zones.
> >>>
> >>> I maybe asking too much, but I have put too much work over the last
> >>> two years into our team to loose a darn good worker like Jake. He
> >>> suffers from people and doggy distractions, yet his work with out
> >>> the distractions is examplery. I was told that he would require a
> >>> yard and a place to run if I was to stay with him.
> >>>
> >>> As I have seen chiguaguas mantain enough of an attention span to
> >>> observe such boundaries, I can't see why I should not expect a full
> >>> fledge black lab who has done two years of services as a guide dog
> >>> not to.
> >>>
> >>> I am sure there some of you with quite extensive training on clicker
>
> >>> work, and if you are willing to work with me, you got an eager
> >>> student.
> >>>
> >>> My thanks in advanced.
> >>>
> >>> D C
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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