(VICT) Re: Recall, was Outside
- From: "dmgina" <dmgina@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:19:16 -0600
Heheheheheehehe,
He could get into trouble with one to.
Just ask him smile.
He is a good boy, we will just keep working together.
--Dar
Every saint has a future,
Every sinner has a past
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From: "Shelley L. Rhodes" <juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: Recall, was Outside
> Judson wears a bell when he is playing and when he is in our parent's
> house
> because of the fact that he well, smile, could get into trouble without
> one.
>
>
> Shelley L. Rhodes B.S. Ed, CTVI
> and Judson, guiding golden
> juddysbuddy@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> Guide Dogs For the Blind Inc.
> Graduate Alumni Association Board
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>
> Dog ownership is like a rainbow.
> Puppies are the joy at one end.
> Old dogs are the treasure at the other.
> Carolyn Alexander
>
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> From: "dmgina" <dmgina@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 4:37 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Recall, was Outside
>
>
> thanks so much.
> We will keep working on this for sure.
> I have never had a bell on a male dog.
> Didn't know if this was a good thing or not.
> Just didn't feel rite to me.
>
>
> --Dar
> Every saint has a future,
> Every sinner has a past
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ann Edie" <annedie@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:26 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: Recall, was Outside
>
>
>> Hi, Dar and Everyone,
>>
>> Dar, I just wanted to agree with Ginger in what she said about being
>> mindful
>> of what behavior in the dog we are reinforcing with the click. However,
>> I
>> do also want to add that if you are just beginning to work on the
>> off-leash
>> recall, and if your dog is perhaps not coming as fast as you would like
>> it
>> to come to you, then you can click when the dog just turns and begins to
>> come toward you.
>>
>> In order to do this, you may need a bell or jingling tags on your dog's
>> collar. Then you can turn the dog loose in a fenced area, after a short
>> while, call your dog, and when you hear the dog turn toward you and begin
>> to
>> come closer, you can click and even reach into your pocket or pouch and
>> take
>> out the treat and hold it out toward the dog. This will reinforce the
>> behavior of turning and coming toward you when she hears the recall cue,
>> and
>> it will encourage her to get to you quickly for the treat. Of course,
>> you
>> can have the dog sit and take the treat politely only when you offer it
>> to
>> her, as you don't want the dog to learn to run up and snatch the treat
>> from
>> your hand.
>>
>> Once the dog is coming quickly to you upon the cue, you can wait longer
>> before you click, until she will come all the way to you quickly in
>> anticipation of the click and treat.
>>
>> Just remember that the click is a reinforcer. It is not a cue. The
>> click
>> means that the behavior is complete and the reward has been earned.
>>
>> Good luck, and enjoy the outdoors in the lovely spring weather!
>>
>> Ann
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ginger Kutsch" <GingerKutsch@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 AM
>> Subject: (VICT) Re: Outside
>>
>>
>>> Hi Dar,
>>>
>>> Thought I would jump in here from my usual lurk mode! I've actually
>>> been
>>> "lurking" off and on for years when time permits. I enjoy reading Ann's
>>> helpful advice about clicker training and that of others on this list.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Glad you are having such a great time with clicker training. In
>>> your
>>> post you said, "while sitting in our back yard, and I am letting Goldie
>>> run
>>> around I would
>>> click and he would come." If, in fact, you are saying that you are
>>> using
>>> the click sound to get your dog to come to you, rather than calling him
>>> first and then clicking when he arrives, I thought I would caution you
>>> against that.
>>>
>>> Using the clicker sound to get your dog to come or to distract it from
>>> interesting things can eventually cause problems.
>>>
>>> It's very tempting to use a click sound when we see how quickly our dogs
>>> respond to us when they hear that noise. But in reality, if we continue
>>> to
>>> use the click over and over again to "call" our dogs, we will eventually
>>> teach our dogs the behavior of staying away or looking for distractions
>>> rather then teaching the behavior of coming.
>>>
>>> For example, when I let my dog out back, she likes to watch for the
>>> squirrels or birds that are often perched on our privacy fence. If I
>>> clicked
>>> while she was watching a squirrel, even if my intent was just to "call"
>>> my
>>> dog, I would inadvertently be reinforcing the behavior of squirrel
>>> watching,
>>> not the behavior of coming. Sure, she might come to get her treat, but
>>> the
>>> only thing I am teaching her is to watch squirrels.not a good thing for
>>> guide dogs! LOL!
>>>
>>> I have found that it's always helpful to be thinking, "what am I
>>> reinforcing?" This way I can be sure to only click for behavior I want!
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Ginger
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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