Bob, thanks for the response and it's helpful...and then again, not. The bird that's visiting my feeders (and singing to my budgie when she's on the windowsill) is definitely a catbird; the markings, voice and behavior all match catbird and there's no mistaking it for any other species. And yet... there is no red underside near the vent at all. Is it possible this bird is molting and it's not come in yet? If so, it's the longest darned molt I've ever seen and this would leave it at least a month without the trademark red undertail coverts. Any other ideas? Are there some catbirds being seen without their red underside? I'm going to try to get a photo of my unusual denizen so you can see it, too. Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reilly" <rjreilly@xxxxxxx> To: <va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: [va-richmond-general] catbird plumage > Irene, > > While I have banded many young catbirds in the Richmond area and at Kiptopeke, I have never encountered one in juvenal plumage. The above description of it is taken from one of my banding references. Hope that is helpful. > > Bob > You are subscribed to VA-Richmond-General. To unsubscribe, send email to va-richmond-general-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. To adjust other settings (vacation, digest, etc.) please visit, //www.freelists.org/list/va-richmond-general.