I still have a scrawny (probably immature) Ruby-throated Hummingbird at my feeder this afternoon. Last year's last date at this location was October 4. Wendy Ealding Powhatan County In a message dated 10/02/08 10:38:55 Eastern Daylight Time, warfield101@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Julie, The angle makes it hard to say for sure, but it looks a little like a female Rufous, with the rufous color on the shoulder and the white breast. The bill is about right too. It might be a juvenile female that has just started to develop the central red spot on the throat. The tail looks right too. But it is not really a sure bet. I can't explain the dark area on the head. That makes it look more like a Ruby-throat. But that doesn't seem to jive with the rufous shoulder. Still confusing! We have had 3 hummers around our feeders lately, including a juvenile male and a couple of females. Saw one today, October 2nd. Al Warfield ----- Original Message ----- From: juliekazz@xxxxxxxxxxx To: Richmond Birds Cc: Michael J. Kacmarcik ; Sarah Hierholzer/hierholzers/O/VCU ; Harinder Dhindsa ; Mark Kacmarcik ; Sarah Marshall Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 10:21 PM Subject: [va-richmond-general] Lewis Ginter Botanical Gardens 1 October 2008 Took a brief walk through LGBG this afternoon. So much to see. Much bird and butterfly activity in the gardens as well as all the beautiful flowers, trees and other plantings. Spotted my first Ruby-crowned Kinglet of the season and what may perhaps be my last Red-eyed Vireo of the year. Many hummingbirds were high in the canopy, skinks skooted in the rocks and there were frogs calling and jumping in the ponds. I almost didn't go because I only had about 2 hours-but decided 2 hours was better than none-so glad I did. Tonight had a Snipe take flight from the wetland behind our house. Any thoughts on this hummingbird...? JulieK Chester