Well, Irene, most politicians are aware of the fact that people vote more often than birds. Given a choice, they will most likely side with the people every time. The problem is that we as environmentalists haven't made ourselves important enough. We are voices calling in the wilderness, barely being heard. Another thing that I have learned is that the reason things are controversial is that there are two good sides to the argument. If there was only one side, there would be no argument and hence no controversy. If you had been at the hearing, you would have seen what a good argument the watermen presented. I am not saying that I agreed with them, I am saying that for the committee members the watermen's argument was much more persuasive that ours. Margaret Margaret