[va-richmond-general] Re: Highland County

  • From: "Nelda Snyder" <snyderfolks@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:48:18 -0400


It's all too technical for me, BUT doesn't it seem simpler and better and
cleaner and less obtrusive to put a lion's share of our assets into solar
improvemant and research?

Nelda Snyder


> [Original Message]
> From: Jim Blowers <jimvb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 5/25/2005 11:43:00 PM
> Subject: [va-richmond-general] Re: Highland County
>
> Thanks for the information, Chris. I just did some figuring. The US has
> 3.7 million square miles and consumes 105 quadrillion btu of energy each
> year with its power grid. That is 3510 gigawatt-years per year or 3510
> gigawatts. Each 400-foot tower generates 2 megawatts. This means that if
> all our electricity was from wind, we would need 1.7 million towers, or
> one each 2 square miles. They may seem ugly, but so are aerial power
> lines and cell phone towers - could cell phone companies use wind
> turbines for their transmitters? And not all our energy is going to come
> from wind, anyway. But 2 square miles is about the size of a large
> development - how about a law requiring that each new development of a
> certain size build a wind turbine to provide electricity for it? That
> would stop developments dead in their tracks and preserve a lot of bird
> habitats!
>
> You say energy requirements are going to grow, but they can't grow
> beyond a certain limit. We would eventually run out, even if all of our
> energy sources were renewable. Corporations need to get growth out of
> their mindsets. The ultimate growth rate is zero.
>
> By the way, NIMBY is "not in my backyard". In other words, we need
> renewable energy such as wind, but not in my back yard, not in Hal's
> back yard, not in Sally's, not in Mark's, not in Jim's, and so forth and
> so forth. So where do we put it? On the moon? 
>
> Jim Blowers
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: va-richmond-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:va-richmond-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
> Terrell
> Sent: Wednesday, 2005 May 25 22:35
> To: va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [va-richmond-general] Re: Highland County
>
>
> Denmark gets a full quarter of their electricity from wind turbines.
> While Virginia can never hope to reach that number (due to the fact that
> we don't have enough sustained high-wind resources like the Skaggerak
> offers) wind power is a viable _supplement_ to our power grid.
>
> I can't speak for Highland County, but my this sounds like NIMBY if I
> have ever heard it.
>
> We are an industrial society, there's no escaping that.  If you visited
> Highland County to protest the wind turbines you almost certainly drove
> there.  If you are reading this message you are getting your power from
> somewhere.  Perhaps a coal fired plant, perhaps nuclear.  When you go to
> work tomorrow you will consume energy on the way there, while there, and
> on the way home.  And then you'll consume some more.
>
> The point is it matters not how green you are in your politics, the
> simple truth of the matter is we first-world humans consume a lot of
> energy and our energy requirements are both real and growing.  I agree
> completely with Irene that the population is entirely too large, but
> unless one wishes to both shut the borders and enforce a reduced
> population (not very American
> ideals) the energy needs for the state of Virginia will continue to grow
> for the foreseeable future.  That's a reality that WILL be dealt with in
> one way or another.
>
> The question becomes then, how to provide this energy?  And I'm here to
> say if you want a quick and flip answer, forget it.  There are no easy
> solutions.
>
> Nuclear?  The obvious Chernobyl factor - even more NIMBY
> Coal?  Cleaner than before, hardly clean
> Hydro?  Clean but already mostly tapped, and many greens aren't terribly
> fond of it either Oil?  We import 51% of our oil already, and the
> supplies are finite Ethanol - Bio-diesel?  Hard to produce in sufficient
> quantities, and produces it's own pollution via agricultural pollution.
> Solar?  Years away, and expensive to develop and deploy. Wind?  Limited
> resources, some consider an eyesore (but power lines are just fine for
> some reason)
>
> Bottom line, hard choices have to be made.  It's very easy to grouse
> about what's wrong and pawn our energy needs off on somebody else, it's
> a whole lot harder to offer a VIABLE solution.
>
> Thanks for the info Jim.  Some of us on this list are with you.
>
> Chris Terrell
> Chesterfield County
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Heron329@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 1:42 PM
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> Subject: [va-richmond-general] Re: Highland County
>
>
> You would have to cover the entire state in wind turbines to replace the
> coal fired plants. and that still wouldn't do it.  It is an absolutely
> ridiculous notion that wind turbines could produce enough electricity to
> replace even one coal fired plant.  And the idea that only 4 birds would
> be killed per turbine, how does anyone know that?  When I was in
> Highland County earlier this spring, there were thousands of migrating
> birds flying high enough to run into the blades of the turbines.  There
> were over 4000 bats killed at one turbine site last summer. Margaret
> O'Bryan
>
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