Hanging up "pest" species as a supposed deterrent has been practiced since
mediaeval times if not before. With absolutely no effect or evidence for
effectiveness I might add.
Back in the 90s I tried to get a research project started on the Dutch Gap
vultures but could not get funding, and had a career change shortly after
so never followed up. Perhaps we could encourage William and Mary and VCU
biology/conservation programs to look into this. I agree with Julie that
law enforcement solutions to man-made biological problems are not the
answer. Strict bans on feral cat feeding & littering , and possibly the
establishment of deer carcass dump sites might encourage the birds to
shift. If birds have to be killed it would be a good opportunity to get
some basic data on the population - measurements, condition, DNA for
relatedness, tissue samples etc. instead of killing them for nothing.
On Mar 3, 2016 7:58 PM, <juliekazz@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I do not advocate for any killing of Black Vultures.
Hanging dead vultures from a tree to deter the vultures is morbid and
grossly ironic.
I can say with 100% certainty that there have been *multiple *instances
of Black Vultures damaging vehicles throughout the years. Windshield wiper
blades, windshield gaskets, hoods and other car parts over the years have
been destroyed. Many years ago I regularly led field trips from the Dutch
Gap boat landing through the woods to the old boardwalk and up to the
bluff. (Due to erosion along the trail and vandalism to the boardwalk this
field trip is not led any longer). At the end of several trips there were
participants that had major damage to their vehicles from the vultures. One
birder had her entire windshield gasket pulled out of the car.
In my opinion the human element is not without blame for the Black Vulture
problem. Litter abounds. Fishermen leave Styrofoam worm boxes and other
waste behind from skinning fish. Feral cats are being fed by irresponsible
people regularly leaving cat-food and dishes in the parking lot.
I do not know the answer. Many things have been tried without success. As
responsible stewards to our environment, we must all step up and take
responsibility for our environment.
Julie Kacmarcik
Chester
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*From: *"Mr James Shelton" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To: *dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, rsabatini@xxxxxxx,
dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Cc: *va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:06:17 PM
*Subject: *[va-richmond-general] Re: Black Vultures at Henricus
As far as I can see, there is one instance in Virginia, 17 years ago,
where vultures, ate some windshield wiper rubber and vomited. This is
being used for the whole program of killing the vultures. The compliant
more likely comes from Dominion who doesn't want them on the power wires.
James
On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:51 AM, Mr James Shelton <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The VA General Assembly is making killing Black Vultures by wildlife
officials, acceptable. We need to lobby more.
Please write the governor to veto this and tell people from other
localities in Virginia.
2016 SESSION
- history <https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+sum+SB37>
| hilite
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16100615D
*SENATE BILL NO. 37*Offered January 13, 2016Prefiled December 15, 2015
*A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section
numbered 29.1-502.1 <http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/29.1-502.1>,
relating to black vultures.*
----------Patron-- Carrico (By Request)----------Referred to Committee on
Agriculture, Conservation and Natural Resources----------
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered
29.1-502.1 <http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/29.1-502.1> as follows:
*§ 29.1-502.1 <http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/29.1-502.1>. Black
vultures.*
*A. The Board shall adopt regulations exempting the black vulture
(Coragyps atratus) from any state regulatory prohibition against taking or
possessing wildlife species not classified as game, furbearer, or nuisance.*
*B. The Department shall devote no state resources to the enforcement of
provisions of the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act or regulations adopted
thereunder by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Fish and Wildlife
Service (USFWS) that protect the black vulture.*
*C. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections A and B, the Department
shall continue to kill black vultures as permitted by USFWS; participate in
all elements of the federal migratory bird depredation permit program and
support the issuance in the Commonwealth of permits thereunder; participate
in black vulture studies and management programs; and work with other state
and federal agencies and organizations to document and reduce the damage to
agricultural resources and property and the threat to public safety caused
by black vultures in the Commonwealth.*
On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:44 AM, Rob Sabatini <rsabatini@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
yes, I noticed those early one morning when the birds were first hung
there a couple of months ago. it looked like a scene from a cult movie. a
truck pulled up that looked like an official wildlife vehicle, maybe fish
and game, and I spoke briefly to the driver about it. he said that they
"had heard" that hanging dead vultures would be effective in keeping other
vultures out of the parking lot and off of the cars, which they damage by
picking off the black trim around the windshields. this happens frequently
in areas of Florida as well (everglades). we both looked around and
decided that his information was apparently flawed, as many birds filled
the trees surrounding the lot. I think what is hanging is still the
remnants of the original birds.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Wendy Ealding <
dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've received a disturbing third party report of something that was
observed at the boat ramp at Dutch Gap. A couple of people visited
Henricus yesterday then drove thru the boat ramp area before leaving. They
saw about eight Black Vultures dead and tied up by the feet then hung from
the top of the light posts. They said a lift must have been used to reach
that height.
Has anyone seen or heard about this?
Wendy Ealding
Midlothian
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Associate Professor
Department of Periodontics, VCU School of Dentistry
804-828-7985
rsabatini@xxxxxxx
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wrote:
yes, I noticed those early one morning when the birds were first hung
there a couple of months ago. it looked like a scene from a cult movie. a
truck pulled up that looked like an official wildlife vehicle, maybe fish
and game, and I spoke briefly to the driver about it. he said that they
"had heard" that hanging dead vultures would be effective in keeping other
vultures out of the parking lot and off of the cars, which they damage by
picking off the black trim around the windshields. this happens frequently
in areas of Florida as well (everglades). we both looked around and
decided that his information was apparently flawed, as many birds filled
the trees surrounding the lot. I think what is hanging is still the
remnants of the original birds.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Wendy Ealding <
dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've received a disturbing third party report of something that was
observed at the boat ramp at Dutch Gap. A couple of people visited
Henricus yesterday then drove thru the boat ramp area before leaving. They
saw about eight Black Vultures dead and tied up by the feet then hung from
the top of the light posts. They said a lift must have been used to reach
that height.
Has anyone seen or heard about this?
Wendy Ealding
Midlothian
--
Rob Sabatini, DDS, MS
Associate Professor
Department of Periodontics, VCU School of Dentistry
804-828-7985
rsabatini@xxxxxxx
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:51 AM, Mr James Shelton <
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The VA General Assembly is making killing Black Vultures by wildlife
officials, acceptable. We need to lobby more.
Please write the governor to veto this and tell people from other
localities in Virginia.
2016 SESSION
- history <https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+sum+SB37>
| hilite
<https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+SB37+hil> | pdf
<https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+SB37+pdf> | print
version
16100615D
*SENATE BILL NO. 37*Offered January 13, 2016Prefiled December 15, 2015
*A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section
numbered 29.1-502.1 <http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/29.1-502.1>,
relating to black vultures.*
----------Patron-- Carrico (By Request)----------Referred to Committee on
Agriculture, Conservation and Natural Resources----------
Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:
1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered
29.1-502.1 <http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/29.1-502.1> as follows:
*§ 29.1-502.1 <http://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/29.1-502.1>. Black
vultures.*
*A. The Board shall adopt regulations exempting the black vulture
(Coragyps atratus) from any state regulatory prohibition against taking or
possessing wildlife species not classified as game, furbearer, or nuisance.*
*B. The Department shall devote no state resources to the enforcement of
provisions of the federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act or regulations adopted
thereunder by the U.S. Department of the Interior, Fish and Wildlife
Service (USFWS) that protect the black vulture.*
*C. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsections A and B, the Department
shall continue to kill black vultures as permitted by USFWS; participate in
all elements of the federal migratory bird depredation permit program and
support the issuance in the Commonwealth of permits thereunder; participate
in black vulture studies and management programs; and work with other state
and federal agencies and organizations to document and reduce the damage to
agricultural resources and property and the threat to public safety caused
by black vultures in the Commonwealth.*
On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:44 AM, Rob Sabatini <rsabatini@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
yes, I noticed those early one morning when the birds were first hung
there a couple of months ago. it looked like a scene from a cult movie. a
truck pulled up that looked like an official wildlife vehicle, maybe fish
and game, and I spoke briefly to the driver about it. he said that they
"had heard" that hanging dead vultures would be effective in keeping other
vultures out of the parking lot and off of the cars, which they damage by
picking off the black trim around the windshields. this happens frequently
in areas of Florida as well (everglades). we both looked around and
decided that his information was apparently flawed, as many birds filled
the trees surrounding the lot. I think what is hanging is still the
remnants of the original birds.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Wendy Ealding <
dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've received a disturbing third party report of something that was
observed at the boat ramp at Dutch Gap. A couple of people visited
Henricus yesterday then drove thru the boat ramp area before leaving. They
saw about eight Black Vultures dead and tied up by the feet then hung from
the top of the light posts. They said a lift must have been used to reach
that height.
Has anyone seen or heard about this?
Wendy Ealding
Midlothian
--
Rob Sabatini, DDS, MS
Associate Professor
Department of Periodontics, VCU School of Dentistry
804-828-7985
rsabatini@xxxxxxx
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On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:44 AM, Rob Sabatini <rsabatini@xxxxxxx>
wrote:
yes, I noticed those early one morning when the birds were first hung
there a couple of months ago. it looked like a scene from a cult movie. a
truck pulled up that looked like an official wildlife vehicle, maybe fish
and game, and I spoke briefly to the driver about it. he said that they
"had heard" that hanging dead vultures would be effective in keeping other
vultures out of the parking lot and off of the cars, which they damage by
picking off the black trim around the windshields. this happens frequently
in areas of Florida as well (everglades). we both looked around and
decided that his information was apparently flawed, as many birds filled
the trees surrounding the lot. I think what is hanging is still the
remnants of the original birds.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Wendy Ealding <
dmarc-noreply-outsider@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've received a disturbing third party report of something that was
observed at the boat ramp at Dutch Gap. A couple of people visited
Henricus yesterday then drove thru the boat ramp area before leaving. They
saw about eight Black Vultures dead and tied up by the feet then hung from
the top of the light posts. They said a lift must have been used to reach
that height.
Has anyone seen or heard about this?
Wendy Ealding
Midlothian
--
Rob Sabatini, DDS, MS
Associate Professor
Department of Periodontics, VCU School of Dentistry
804-828-7985
rsabatini@xxxxxxx
