Al, I'm sorry you misinterpreted my email, which was meant to convey, with levity, my hope that our list continue to be inclusive of the novice who, for now, may just want to "enjoy birds" rather than become a "citizen scientist". There may be multiple reasons keeping some of the list members from being "more involved". Some of us have demanding jobs that already consume our nights and weekends in addition to regular work hours. Others may be intimidated by an atmosphere that they see as being increasingly competitive and yes, elitist. Some might be shy about speaking up simply because they don't think they can contribute much yet, or even because they believe they've been put down when they tried to speak up. I'm not saying that's ever happened, but wouldn't it be a shame if it did? Wouldn't it also be a shame if someone missed learning from you because they haven't yet been introduced to acronyms, or if someone changed his or her mind about becoming an active member of RAS because they got the wrong impression? Please note I didn't say you were a show-off; only that someone might. Actually I've been in RAS years longer than you; I remember when you and Linda joined. You've both been great for the organization, and your contributions and dedication are superb. I don't participate at your level not because of lack of interest, but because I'm in that "demanding job" category, but I've read every post since this list began. Personally I hope that RAS and this list will continue to have room for the laidback "enjoying birds" folks and the newcomers, the shy and the easily intimidated and those who like to bird in relative solitude, for all those who may appear to be just sitting on the sidelines, as well as for the "citizen scientists" and those who enjoy the social interaction of group trips and the activism. I apologize for taking this email public. I don't want to embarrass anyone, but I wanted to express these thoughts to the entire list. I hope there's room here for all. -----Original Message----- From: warfield101@xxxxxxxxxxx To: deannamail@xxxxxxx Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [va-richmond-general] Re: Acronyms I won't touch that comment expect to say that you totally misinterpreted what I was trying to do. I was trying to start people thinking about what they would have to do to prepare themselves to do survey work. It didn't work very well though, at least judging from the responses of those who responded. Hopefully the ones who didn't got something from what came later. You don't really think I'm a show-off do you? If so you should re-read all the posts I've made and see what you think then. I wasn't even the first person to use them on the listserve. Bob Coles started that practice a couple of months ago. (Not Bob Cole - different RAS member). Al Warfield ----- Original Message ----- From: deannamail@xxxxxxx To: va-richmond-general@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:05 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [va-richmond-general] Re: Acronyms Also agreed. Someone could easily mis-interpret one's being an EBSO (efficient birding system observer) as being an EBSO (elitist birding show-off) instead. Thanks for the vocabulary addition, Jim! -----Original Message----- From: jimvb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 9:41 PM Subject: [va-richmond-general] Re: Cormorants on lakes I agree. I would rather hear about robins than about AMROs. Besides, CAGO means “I poop” in Spanish. Jim Blowers From: va-richmond-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:va-richmond-general-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ann Brooks Sent: Monday, 2007 April 23 21:01 ALL I certainly understand the desire to use the abbreviations for our birds, especially when they are fairly obvious DCCO, but I have to tell you I think this is a good way to turn people off. ANN BROOKS On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Al Warfield wrote: Linda & I visited Three Lakes Nature Center (in Henrico Co) on Saturday - the one that was featured in the Saturday TD - and saw DC Cormorants (DCCO) and Canada Geese (CAGO) there. There was one CAGO nesting on an island. Also, that's a good place to see EABL and CHSP - on an asphalt path from one of the lakes to the parking lot. Other than that there were some TUTI and a few RBWP and DOWP. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.