Hello folks,
It's good to see the discussion about this menu and George is right, you can be
a little creative.
A couple of words of warning: some braille menus, because of all the
description can be so large that your average braille reader never actually
gets through it before it is time to leave the restaurant! So I think there's
probably a balance.
A table of contents is a great idea to help find the main sections and I have
seen this done.
May I remind people that formatting conventions do vary from country to country.
I hope this helps.
With best regards,
James.
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From: ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of George Bell
Sent: 17 July 2017 23:41
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Menu braille
Hi Theresa,
At the end of the day, a menu is where you can get quite creative if the kind
of restaurant is a cut above the chain/fast food places.
If it has sections, think about what a Table of Contents would look like.
Without seeing what you have, I can only guess it would have main headings for
sections such as Starters, Main Courses, Deserts. Below each of these you
would have sub-headings.
In the main content, each section would be a top level heading, e.g. “Starters”
Each sub-topic would be the title of each dish, e.g. “Avocado Garlic Prawns”
Below that, the description, e.g. “Fresh Queen’s Island prawns, marinated in
our chef’s extra strong French garlic sauce, in a locally gown avocado.”
You could consider whether or not to include the price as part of the heading
and therefore needs some thought.
A transcriber’s note at the beginning could explain that the Table of Contents
is a summary of the dishes, which are afterwards described in full detail.
This would give the braille reader an opportunity to quickly scan the menu,
just as most sighted readers would do, and yet be able to study a possible
choice more fully if they like the sound of something.
Comments I do hear are that some braille menus do not contain the detail of the
print version, and that’s bad – very bad!
Just some thoughts.
George
From: ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Theresa Wyatt
Sent: 17 July 2017 21:50
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Menu braille
Hi George,
Have you any further tips that you have learnt from your travels and experience
for producing a braille menu at all please?
Teri x
On 17 July 2017 at 13:34, George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In three score and ten, and from Iceland to South Australia, I’ve never seen
an Index in a print menu.
If you are using software like Duxbury, and have applied Heading Styles (in
Word or Duxbury) adding a Table of Contents is a very nice touch which take
only seconds in Duxbury.
George
From: ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ueb-ed-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On ;
Behalf Of Theresa Wyatt
Sent: 17 July 2017 19:03
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Menu braille
Ok, so it would be presented like a book...with an index page and sections
maybe?
On Jul 17, 2017 11:59, "Jean Menzies" <jemenzies@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Teri,
No, I think one menu. If you force a blind patron to make that choice up front,
I think you are limiting their choices. They should get the whole menu like
everyone else. But make a table of contents at the front if it makes sense to
do so. Just my opinion.
1-3 refers to formatting. The line starts in cell 1, and any runovers are
blocked in cell 3.
Hope that helps.
From: Theresa Wyatt (Redacted sender "teriwyatt.tw" for DMARC)
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:48 AM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Menu braille
Hi Jean,
Thanks for your input regarding a brailled menu.
Would it work if there was to be a separate menu for each section: ie; Menu 1:
Snack and Share. Menu 2: Pasta. Menu 3: Pizzas etc. Then an index page listing
menus available. This way one read of the index would tell the customer what is
available widely, then able to choose which Menu is preferred for more detail?
Also, apologies for my ignorance - but what do you mean by 1-3 format,3-3, 1-1?
Know it's probably really obvious but I want to know that I fully understand
what you mean.
Thanks Jean.
Teri x
Couple of questions for you -
On 14 July 2017 at 14:54, Jean Menzies <jemenzies@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I am a braille user and a transcriber. I think restaurant menus are something
where careful thought needs to go into how to make finding and reading quik.
Forget about following print for formatting. Here are a few things I like:
1. If the menu is more than 5 or 6 pages, consider creating a table of contents
at the beginning.
2. Use centered headings for things like Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, Beverages,
etc. Centered headings are just faster to find when page scanning when you
don’t want to take an hour to figure out what to order.
3. Repeat the centered heading on line 25 for quick paging through a menu. Just
another way of skipping through quickly. (The current section or start of a new
section is set as a page footer.)
4. Formatting for food entries: Consider using 1-3 format, with the description
and price each starting on a new line within the entry in 3-3. That way,
everything is easy to identify at the left margin, considering that the menu
might be being read in a person’s lap with limited hand movement space.
5. I typically put section notes immediately after a heading in 1-1. Things
like “Burgers served with fries, soup, or salad. Yam fries may be substituted
....” Blank line, then the food items in that category in 1-3.
Just some ideas to consider.
Jean
From: Debby Lieberman
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:29 AM
To: ueb-ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ueb-ed] Re: Menu braille
To add to what Don wrote — In addition to collaboration with experienced
transcribers, feedback from braille readers is invaluable. Many don’t know
(and don’t care about) braille code rules, but they do know what formatting
makes something easy to follow or helps them locate something on the page.
Debby
On Jul 14, 2017, at 10:48 AM, Don Winiecki <dwiniecki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
While I would be confident that most menus contain one or more types of
lists, in my experience there is no single proper format for an entire menu.
In fact I might hazard the statement that producing a usable and
adequate transcription of a relatively complex menu will require more skill and
professional judgment than nearly any other single brailling project.
While I suspect this is not helpful in response to the original
question, I see it as recognition that human creativity is still a critical
aspect of this work.
Gaining confidence and fluency when there are no clear right or wrong
answers requires ongoing collaboration with experienced transcribers, including
sharing examples and critiques of those examples.
With that in mind, is it possible to share parts of the menu you are
transcribing?
Best,
_don
On Jul 14, 2017, at 11:32 AM, MJ Williams
<matthewjwilliams101@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
What sort of "menu"?
On 14/07/2017, Theresa Wyatt <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi,
Could you please confirm the format for braille for a
menu please? I think
it would be classed as a list according to the
Australian Training Manual
2013 p176, that I have, and I cannot find it in the
Rules of UEB 2013. Any
ideas please?
Teri
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