[triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem

  • From: "Bruce Eddy" <beddy1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:43:28 -0500

I’ve never used any download accelerators. Is it certified guarndamnteed the 
multiple pieces go back together with no glitches?

I’m betting something that Brian has installed on Win 7 B drive is actually 
pointing to his C vista drive and won’t correct itself.


My fix for that would be to boot with Windows 7 disk… Tell it to install over 
the top of his current Windows 7 b drive. Not sure how he wound up with Windows 
being on the ‘b’ drive anywho? I’ve run multiple windows here and they all wind 
up on C once you boot into them?

Before you decide to dump Vista Brian, try this… Run the PCMover program on 
your current Windows 7 install….

Boot with windows 7 disk. Do a clean install of 7 on the same partition it’s 
already on. Widows will put the current files in a folder called windows.old. 
Once the install finishes, I’m betting it shows Windows 7 on C drive? Now run 
the PCMover program. When it asks where you old files are, point to the 
windows.old folder. Mover will now setup all your old programs into the new 
windows 7. It will change short cuts to work properly. You may have to fix a 
program or two, but miles above a clean install of your entire setup?


This also works if you decide to dump Vista and install Win7 in its place. 
STILL don’t know why everyone complains so much about vista. I didn’t have any 
of the issues everyone talks about here. I only upgraded because my clients 
would expect me to be running the latest greatest.


This assumes you have a full blown image of your setup somewhere safe?

Oh, also, the issues people are saying about it won’t boot, etc… All you have 
to do there is insert the Windows7 Cd .. I think the very first option is 
repair your installation? Works just fine.


Armando, I still don’t see the need to use anything other than IE….what do I 
gain? I’ve got IE9, Opera and Chrome..But rarely use the others. But I’m not a 
casual surfer either. And If I’m going dancing in the dirt, so to speak, I run 

Debugging windows is half the ‘fun’? Ummm 12 different versions of Linux sounds 
like more work than windows?



I suppose we’re up to about a $1.50 now?:)) sorry, I just can’t stay quiet when 
I see stuff that simply isn’t fact? Windows Vista is NOT the piece of junk 
people claim it to be? Yes when it first came out driver issues were the thing. 
Once the service packs came out, it settled down nicely, Altho, here Even in 
the betas I never had all the issues people scream about? Personally I think 
the problem with vita on a regular basis is human? Like I said before… add on 
plus add on plus add on plus add on.. then complain cuz it’s broke? I’m not 
saying anyone here is ‘wrong’ per se’. But to explicitly say windows Vista is a 
piece of junk, is just not true. Maybe on some systems? My best friend has the 
exact same model laptop I have, I’m using win7, she’s using the original Vista 
that came with it. She’s a Mac Master..ehhh mistress?:)) Anyways, She’s never 
once had to do a clean install, never had to repair. None of those things? She 
uses it daily for her work, where administration uses windows.. but she manages 
a network of Macs, and for her daily play stuff. The only reason I upped to 
win7 was we got free Cds from Toshiba and my clients expect me to run the 
latest greatest windows? For the life of me I’ll never understand this ‘Vista 
is junk’ stuff? I’ve had several  Vista systems come in here. Everyone of them 
walks out running just fine STILL running Vista.




From: triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of armando barreiro
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:22 AM
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem


Download accelerator is a POS(*). Flashget is what you want and in order to use 
it with FF install the Flashgot(**) plugin.


Never had any problems with spy/adware with Flashget, but I've also installed 
"noscript <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/>

YMMV, but  that's what I use in all my customer's PC's and in all my versions 
of windows.


BTW, when using Windows I've never used IE except for when updating a system 
that has not been previously configured to use Windows automatic updates. FF is 
my choice of browsers.

P.S.: Isn't it a PIA to be constantly having to debug Windows in order to use 
it?, I think so!

--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Bruce Eddy <beddy1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Bruce Eddy <beddy1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 1:40 AM

Hi Brian, you might try PCMover program. That works pretty darn good 

In essence..Windows puts your entire hard drive in a window.old folder… The PC 
mover program drags all your programs and their reg settings out of the old 
folder and into the new windows version..

Not an expensive program either.



From: triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:36 PM
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem



Thanks for those additional comments.

Since I owe nearly all of my early computer learning to the TTT expert tutors I 
think someone must have suggested Firefox.

I thought that Firefox has been simply phenomenal for all the years I have used 
Up until this point I have had a few Firefox issues but all could be resolved.
I had always used Download Accelerator to do all downloads in all browsers 
including Firefox. 
With just one click it would lets me place the download any were I wanted and I 
could just as quick access it.

I think that his problem with Firefox was most likely the result of something I 
As I had mentioned previously, due to my goof ups, I can only run Windows 
Experience Rating from a command prompt, the Task Scheduler doesn't work any 
and I get a few error messages telling me some things aren't working properly. 
E.G, the error message that just popped up after a reboot said some to the 
effect that run time acted in an unusual manner and somehow 
Windows\system32\nvvsnc.exe was involved. So as long as most things keep 
working I don't try vary hard to fix the issue.

Since many of the problems can be fixed with program reinstalls or an updates, 
many problems are eventually fixed.
But I get the feeling that Windows itself is what is causing some or many 
Consequently, I am thinking this may to the time to do a Windows Reinstall.

The only thing that was holding me back was loosing all my programs.
But when I found an article by Fred Langa, "Win7′s no-reformat, nondestructive 
reinstall", http://tinyurl.com/689ogbv that seemed like the answer I needed.

I would hope that maybe a clean Windows folder would solve the Adobe Flash 

Does that make any sense at all?


On 1/27/2012 8:18 AM, ChasM49@xxxxxxx wrote: 

Brian.... there has been some pretty "vexing" problems with Firefox and the 
implementation of the Adobe add-ons... plus some big time bad security mess ups 
due to them.... and to me when I tried Firefox.... all I saw was a hidden MS 
IE9 with its garbage hidden in it..... I hate the stupid way downloads are 
placed ..... need to become a programmer nearly to place downloads where you 
want them..... aint no good to me for either one..... but with MS9 at least it 
eliminates many of the mess ups when using a strange add on.  Chuck


In a message dated 1/26/2012 10:12:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
brian99@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:


I always appreciate any help; even if it wasn't the magic suggestion that 
solved the riddle.

This vexing issue must be extremely elusive with the absence of any possible 

There are a few ways to side step the problem. 
As Howard and Chuck mentioned, maybe switching to Opera would be in order.
I sure hate to give up on Firefox, since I have so much time invested in it and 
the ease of which I can effectively use it.
Also this is just one more of many unresolvable irregularities I have now had 
to live with since installing W7. 
I have also been thinking maybe a non-destructive reinstall of W7 may solve 
some of the problems.

One thing is certain, is that the problem is severe enough that I will have to 
do something.
So I will stumble along for a while trying to find a solution, but will 
probably do one or more of the above if I an unsuccessful.
So if anyone has any other ideal please let me know.

Thanks to you and the others for offering the help.



On 1/26/2012 5:39 PM, RICHARD MATTHEW wrote: 

I should have read more carefully, Brian. Firefox. Sorry!



On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ChasM49@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Howard.. yes I agree nearly word for word....on both subjects... Vista and 
Firefox..... and Brian... will be definite troubles if simply dumping the C 
partition.... as drive wont boot to B.... plus... everything you have is 
working from the B drive...... so..... BIG problems...... don't even want to 
attempt explanations.....way more difficulty involved that a simple 
format,delete etc...... main reasons should not dual boot replacements to 
current versions...... makes for messy operations...... but thats my 


In a message dated 1/26/2012 8:00:38 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
hbint@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Hi Brian ... I think you may want to Google about removing Vista from a dual 
boot with win 7. You may find that it will leave some repair work to do in Win 
7 after that is done. I have never seen a computer with those 2 dual booting, 
but in other combinations, some damage is done to the boot files. I’m  sure you 
will find someone who has done that.


As for Firefox, I (personally) don’t care for it at all. THAT IS JUST MY 
OPINION FOLKS! I have heard good things about it, but I have tried and don’t 
see faster, better, safer etc. etc. ... guess I go back too far to change much. 
I also don’t think you can change the assigned letter of the system partition.


Just a quick note to give my opinion ...






From: brian 

Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:18 PM

To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem


Richard & Chuck,

Thanks for the replies.

First about Richard's suggestion.

I checked for the special Icon.
But I don't have this Icon in the the Firefox search bar; I have this one 
I did some checking and the mention of the ActiveX seemed to be just related to 

So I thought maybe my IE web browser was causing the problem.
But when I looked at the search area in IE and hoovered over the Icon it 
displayed this:

So I guess IE isn't causing the problem.
A few of the sites I looked at when checking ActiveX mentioned that DOM Storage 
in Firefox could be a problem.
I then used  about:config in Firefox to change the setting to false to 
deactivate them.
But again the problem persists.

One thing for sure the problem is not with IE or Chrome browser. 
This is a good example what the problem is doing only to Firefox:
This is the display of an Amazon web page using Chrome:

And this is the same page displayed in Firefox:

As can be seen, nearly all the graphics is gone from Firefox and in fact, much 
of the text!

It make some web sites nearly impossible to navigate since one can't see 
various options.
Like the missing down arrow in the Electronics box in Firefox.

I hope this may spark some further ideas about the cause and solution to this 
Chuck, Yes, I sure agree that it is time to remove Vista.

I have been very cautious about making certain changes since it like a medical 
the cure can cause100 times more severe problems than one started with.

I have found a way I think I can remove Vista, and would appreciate if you 
think it is the way to go.
Vista is now on the C:\ drive and Win7 is on the B:\ drive both on the same 
disk along with a Gateway recovery partition, A:\.
My plan was to make a Vista image back up just in case, and also do a separate 
back up of some other things not on Win7.

Then I would simply format the Vista C:\ drive using Win Explorer hoping Win7 
would revert to the C:\ drive where it belongs.
These would be the steps I would plan to take:
a. Boot into W7.
b. Click Start>Computer & check to see how many partitions you have. 
c. Identify the Vista partition 
d. Right click on it>select Format>Start. 
e. And in a few minutes I would hope Vista would be gone.

If you think that would work without causing more problems I will add it to my 
to do schedule.



On 1/25/2012 5:31 PM, RICHARD MATTHEW wrote: 

You need to allow ActiveX on those pages, Brian, or else you will get that 
message. Look up at your bar where the  url is. see the little blue circle with 
the line through it? Click on it and then click, "Turn off ActiveX filtering. 
You should be good to go.




On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, brian <brian99@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello to all TTT members,

I have encountered a problem that seems basic but I simply can't solve it no 
matter what I try.
I hope someone has experience with this problem.

I am using W7 64Bit with Firefox.

The problem involves not being able to install Adobe Flash Player.

When displaying web pages there are sections missing.
E.G, this message is displayed when I go to this site to display a chart: 

So I then click the message and it displays this:


Then when I click to find the missing Plug In it finds it: Flash Player:


So hopefully I click and expect it will install the plug In.
All looks promising as it starts to install. . . .

But then it stops updating and displays this message stating that Firefox has 
disabled Flash:
Check Your Plug-ins

Keeping your third-party plug ins up to date helps Firefox run safely and 
Missing FLASH?

For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash. Please 
upgrade to the latest version.
Adobe Flash Player
Adobe Flash Player (7.74 MB)

It takes me to a Plug In page indicating the Java is outdated so  I update both 
the 32 and 64 bit version of Java.

So I update Java but it didn't help at all; the same problem exists.
When I try to install Adobe Flash Player this is displayed and the entire cycle 
is repeated :

My system is a dual boot with Win7 and Vista; could that be a problem even when 
only using Win7?

I hope someone has an idea what could be causing this.

Thanks for any help.





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