[triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem
- From: "Bruce Eddy" <beddy1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 09:43:28 -0500
I’ve never used any download accelerators. Is it certified guarndamnteed the
multiple pieces go back together with no glitches?
I’m betting something that Brian has installed on Win 7 B drive is actually
pointing to his C vista drive and won’t correct itself.
My fix for that would be to boot with Windows 7 disk… Tell it to install over
the top of his current Windows 7 b drive. Not sure how he wound up with Windows
being on the ‘b’ drive anywho? I’ve run multiple windows here and they all wind
up on C once you boot into them?
Before you decide to dump Vista Brian, try this… Run the PCMover program on
your current Windows 7 install….
Boot with windows 7 disk. Do a clean install of 7 on the same partition it’s
already on. Widows will put the current files in a folder called windows.old.
Once the install finishes, I’m betting it shows Windows 7 on C drive? Now run
the PCMover program. When it asks where you old files are, point to the
windows.old folder. Mover will now setup all your old programs into the new
windows 7. It will change short cuts to work properly. You may have to fix a
program or two, but miles above a clean install of your entire setup?
This also works if you decide to dump Vista and install Win7 in its place.
STILL don’t know why everyone complains so much about vista. I didn’t have any
of the issues everyone talks about here. I only upgraded because my clients
would expect me to be running the latest greatest.
This assumes you have a full blown image of your setup somewhere safe?
Oh, also, the issues people are saying about it won’t boot, etc… All you have
to do there is insert the Windows7 Cd .. I think the very first option is
repair your installation? Works just fine.
Armando, I still don’t see the need to use anything other than IE….what do I
gain? I’ve got IE9, Opera and Chrome..But rarely use the others. But I’m not a
casual surfer either. And If I’m going dancing in the dirt, so to speak, I run
SandboxIE?
Debugging windows is half the ‘fun’? Ummm 12 different versions of Linux sounds
like more work than windows?
YMMV
I suppose we’re up to about a $1.50 now?:)) sorry, I just can’t stay quiet when
I see stuff that simply isn’t fact? Windows Vista is NOT the piece of junk
people claim it to be? Yes when it first came out driver issues were the thing.
Once the service packs came out, it settled down nicely, Altho, here Even in
the betas I never had all the issues people scream about? Personally I think
the problem with vita on a regular basis is human? Like I said before… add on
plus add on plus add on plus add on.. then complain cuz it’s broke? I’m not
saying anyone here is ‘wrong’ per se’. But to explicitly say windows Vista is a
piece of junk, is just not true. Maybe on some systems? My best friend has the
exact same model laptop I have, I’m using win7, she’s using the original Vista
that came with it. She’s a Mac Master..ehhh mistress?:)) Anyways, She’s never
once had to do a clean install, never had to repair. None of those things? She
uses it daily for her work, where administration uses windows.. but she manages
a network of Macs, and for her daily play stuff. The only reason I upped to
win7 was we got free Cds from Toshiba and my clients expect me to run the
latest greatest windows? For the life of me I’ll never understand this ‘Vista
is junk’ stuff? I’ve had several Vista systems come in here. Everyone of them
walks out running just fine STILL running Vista.
Bruce
From: triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of armando barreiro
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:22 AM
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem
Download accelerator is a POS(*). Flashget is what you want and in order to use
it with FF install the Flashgot(**) plugin.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_download_managers>
Never had any problems with spy/adware with Flashget, but I've also installed
"noscript <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/noscript/>
YMMV, but that's what I use in all my customer's PC's and in all my versions
of windows.
(*)<http://www.safer-networking.org/en/articles/download-managers.html>
(**)<https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashgot/>
BTW, when using Windows I've never used IE except for when updating a system
that has not been previously configured to use Windows automatic updates. FF is
my choice of browsers.
P.S.: Isn't it a PIA to be constantly having to debug Windows in order to use
it?, I think so!
Armando
--- On Sat, 1/28/12, Bruce Eddy <beddy1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Bruce Eddy <beddy1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 1:40 AM
Hi Brian, you might try PCMover program. That works pretty darn good
In essence..Windows puts your entire hard drive in a window.old folder… The PC
mover program drags all your programs and their reg settings out of the old
folder and into the new windows version..
Not an expensive program either.
Bruce
From: triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 6:36 PM
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem
Chuck,
Thanks for those additional comments.
Since I owe nearly all of my early computer learning to the TTT expert tutors I
think someone must have suggested Firefox.
I thought that Firefox has been simply phenomenal for all the years I have used
it.
Up until this point I have had a few Firefox issues but all could be resolved.
I had always used Download Accelerator to do all downloads in all browsers
including Firefox.
With just one click it would lets me place the download any were I wanted and I
could just as quick access it.
I think that his problem with Firefox was most likely the result of something I
did.
As I had mentioned previously, due to my goof ups, I can only run Windows
Experience Rating from a command prompt, the Task Scheduler doesn't work any
more,
and I get a few error messages telling me some things aren't working properly.
E.G, the error message that just popped up after a reboot said some to the
effect that run time acted in an unusual manner and somehow
Windows\system32\nvvsnc.exe was involved. So as long as most things keep
working I don't try vary hard to fix the issue.
Since many of the problems can be fixed with program reinstalls or an updates,
many problems are eventually fixed.
But I get the feeling that Windows itself is what is causing some or many
problems.
Consequently, I am thinking this may to the time to do a Windows Reinstall.
The only thing that was holding me back was loosing all my programs.
But when I found an article by Fred Langa, "Win7′s no-reformat, nondestructive
reinstall", http://tinyurl.com/689ogbv that seemed like the answer I needed.
I would hope that maybe a clean Windows folder would solve the Adobe Flash
problem!
Does that make any sense at all?
Brian
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On 1/27/2012 8:18 AM, ChasM49@xxxxxxx wrote:
Brian.... there has been some pretty "vexing" problems with Firefox and the
implementation of the Adobe add-ons... plus some big time bad security mess ups
due to them.... and to me when I tried Firefox.... all I saw was a hidden MS
IE9 with its garbage hidden in it..... I hate the stupid way downloads are
placed ..... need to become a programmer nearly to place downloads where you
want them..... aint no good to me for either one..... but with MS9 at least it
eliminates many of the mess ups when using a strange add on. Chuck
In a message dated 1/26/2012 10:12:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brian99@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Richard'
I always appreciate any help; even if it wasn't the magic suggestion that
solved the riddle.
This vexing issue must be extremely elusive with the absence of any possible
solutions.
There are a few ways to side step the problem.
As Howard and Chuck mentioned, maybe switching to Opera would be in order.
I sure hate to give up on Firefox, since I have so much time invested in it and
the ease of which I can effectively use it.
Also this is just one more of many unresolvable irregularities I have now had
to live with since installing W7.
I have also been thinking maybe a non-destructive reinstall of W7 may solve
some of the problems.
One thing is certain, is that the problem is severe enough that I will have to
do something.
So I will stumble along for a while trying to find a solution, but will
probably do one or more of the above if I an unsuccessful.
So if anyone has any other ideal please let me know.
Thanks to you and the others for offering the help.
Brian
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On 1/26/2012 5:39 PM, RICHARD MATTHEW wrote:
I should have read more carefully, Brian. Firefox. Sorry!
Richard
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM, <ChasM49@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Howard.. yes I agree nearly word for word....on both subjects... Vista and
Firefox..... and Brian... will be definite troubles if simply dumping the C
partition.... as drive wont boot to B.... plus... everything you have is
working from the B drive...... so..... BIG problems...... don't even want to
attempt explanations.....way more difficulty involved that a simple
format,delete etc...... main reasons should not dual boot replacements to
current versions...... makes for messy operations...... but thats my
opinions.....Chuck
In a message dated 1/26/2012 8:00:38 A.M. Central Standard Time,
hbint@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
Hi Brian ... I think you may want to Google about removing Vista from a dual
boot with win 7. You may find that it will leave some repair work to do in Win
7 after that is done. I have never seen a computer with those 2 dual booting,
but in other combinations, some damage is done to the boot files. I’m sure you
will find someone who has done that.
As for Firefox, I (personally) don’t care for it at all. THAT IS JUST MY
OPINION FOLKS! I have heard good things about it, but I have tried and don’t
see faster, better, safer etc. etc. ... guess I go back too far to change much.
I also don’t think you can change the assigned letter of the system partition.
Just a quick note to give my opinion ...
Howard
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:18 PM
To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Another Vexing Problem
Richard & Chuck,
Thanks for the replies.
First about Richard's suggestion.
I checked for the special Icon.
But I don't have this Icon in the the Firefox search bar; I have this one
I did some checking and the mention of the ActiveX seemed to be just related to
IE.
So I thought maybe my IE web browser was causing the problem.
But when I looked at the search area in IE and hoovered over the Icon it
displayed this:
So I guess IE isn't causing the problem.
A few of the sites I looked at when checking ActiveX mentioned that DOM Storage
in Firefox could be a problem.
I then used about:config in Firefox to change the setting to false to
deactivate them.
But again the problem persists.
One thing for sure the problem is not with IE or Chrome browser.
This is a good example what the problem is doing only to Firefox:
This is the display of an Amazon web page using Chrome:
And this is the same page displayed in Firefox:
As can be seen, nearly all the graphics is gone from Firefox and in fact, much
of the text!
It make some web sites nearly impossible to navigate since one can't see
various options.
Like the missing down arrow in the Electronics box in Firefox.
I hope this may spark some further ideas about the cause and solution to this
issue.
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Chuck, Yes, I sure agree that it is time to remove Vista.
I have been very cautious about making certain changes since it like a medical
treatment:
the cure can cause100 times more severe problems than one started with.
I have found a way I think I can remove Vista, and would appreciate if you
think it is the way to go.
Vista is now on the C:\ drive and Win7 is on the B:\ drive both on the same
disk along with a Gateway recovery partition, A:\.
My plan was to make a Vista image back up just in case, and also do a separate
back up of some other things not on Win7.
Then I would simply format the Vista C:\ drive using Win Explorer hoping Win7
would revert to the C:\ drive where it belongs.
These would be the steps I would plan to take:
a. Boot into W7.
b. Click Start>Computer & check to see how many partitions you have.
c. Identify the Vista partition
d. Right click on it>select Format>Start.
e. And in a few minutes I would hope Vista would be gone.
If you think that would work without causing more problems I will add it to my
to do schedule.
Brian
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On 1/25/2012 5:31 PM, RICHARD MATTHEW wrote:
You need to allow ActiveX on those pages, Brian, or else you will get that
message. Look up at your bar where the url is. see the little blue circle with
the line through it? Click on it and then click, "Turn off ActiveX filtering.
You should be good to go.
Richard
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:12 PM, brian <brian99@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello to all TTT members,
I have encountered a problem that seems basic but I simply can't solve it no
matter what I try.
I hope someone has experience with this problem.
I am using W7 64Bit with Firefox.
The problem involves not being able to install Adobe Flash Player.
When displaying web pages there are sections missing.
E.G, this message is displayed when I go to this site to display a chart:
http://tinyurl.com/895j5ll
So I then click the message and it displays this:
--------------------------------
Then when I click to find the missing Plug In it finds it: Flash Player:
------------------------------------------------------------
So hopefully I click and expect it will install the plug In.
All looks promising as it starts to install. . . .
But then it stops updating and displays this message stating that Firefox has
disabled Flash:
----------------------------------------------------------------
Check Your Plug-ins
Keeping your third-party plug ins up to date helps Firefox run safely and
smoothly.
Missing FLASH?
For your safety, Firefox has disabled your outdated version of Flash. Please
upgrade to the latest version.
Adobe Flash Player
Adobe Flash Player 11.1.102.55 (7.74 MB)
It takes me to a Plug In page indicating the Java is outdated so I update both
the 32 and 64 bit version of Java.
------------------------------------------
So I update Java but it didn't help at all; the same problem exists.
When I try to install Adobe Flash Player this is displayed and the entire cycle
is repeated :
My system is a dual boot with Win7 and Vista; could that be a problem even when
only using Win7?
I hope someone has an idea what could be causing this.
Thanks for any help.
BRIAN
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