[tor] Re: Torservers.net Hosting Strategy
- From: Andrew Lewis <andrew@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: torservers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:50:59 -0600
If you are talking that amount of cash, then you might be able to colocate, and
get your own IP space completely removing the issue with ISP abuse complaints.
It would take some more technical engineering, but would allow the freedom of
doing your own stuff without interference. It also enters the range where
places like prq.se become affordable.
On Feb 19, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Christian wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 02/19/2011 12:19 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
>
>> With our non-profit, we plan to apply for as many grants as possible.
>> For example, I have talked potential sponsors (and I mean, real
>> sponsors), and the second thing they ask for is a budget plan. Every
>> grant application requires us to submit different possible stages of
>> funding and what we could achieve with that.
>
> As an addition:
> We (moritz and me) talked to some people at conferences and worksops,
> and they looked very well suprised by the little money we needed to
> create an impact.
> I think they expected us to burn way more money. By showing them that we
> taste cheap ISPs (i would call the 1 GBit softlayer node that) we get
> quite a nice impression. Yet every one of them understood that more
> money and stable money income would give us more servers and better
> "quality". As far as I can judge they would not be suprised if we would
> need 1 - 10 k a month. And very well support us. For that, some requests
> for grants, we need a "business plan" (I hate that term) and with that
> money I do think we should consider running some stable mid priced nodes
> with very little harrassment (ISP fighting us, miscalculating us).
>
>>
>> That's why it makes perfect sense to look into professional deals, were
>> we don't have to worry about what happens when hardware gets seized etc.
>>
>> On the other hand, we want to contribute to the Tor community, by
>> sifting through special deals and cheaper ISPs and "trying" them. That
>> is the "we will spend your donations for the best possible deals in
>> bandwidth" part.
>
> Full ack. If they allow us and we document how well the hoster is and
> how good cooperation with some hosters goes, we could very well make a
> better positive list. For that we need good arguments and manpower in
> documentation, creating info material, get us contacts to lawyers to
> look at that etc pp.
>
> I would argue some hosters shut down nodes because the operators failed
> to respond/operators gave up etc pp which all leaves a bad taste about
> tor and maybe led to a strategy like "bug them two or three times, and
> they are gone anyway"
> If we manage to compile resources on how to operate an exit node, than
> this would be a great achievement.
> Maybe we can even lobby some universities/organizations to help us in
> the long run :)
>
> cheers,
> chris
>
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