5159 and 5160 look virtually identical so the only way to be sure of what you have is by microscopic examination or size. D. funeralis has a wingspan of 21-28 mm and D. maculalis is 18-24 mm. If the wingspan is less than 21mm it's probably D. maculalis and if it's over 24 mm it's probably D. funeralis. Ken Childs Henderson, TN Chester County http://tinyurl.com/Kens-Moths-2011 http://www.finishflagfarms.com ________________________________ From: "klight10@xxxxxxxxxxx" <klight10@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: tn-moths-bounce TN Moth Group <tn-moths@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: [tn-moths] Grapeleaf folder vs. roller I had a small black and white moth that looks like #5160 Desmia maculalis (from Ken's page) on the sheet at science camp last week. When I looked this moth up on MPG it didn't have it. It was smaller and had more slender wings than what I've been calling a Grapeleaf Folder #5159. I want to make sure I have the correct ID before I send it in. Why doesn't MPG show this moth? It is obviously much smaller and different than 5159. Last night, just as I was about to shut down the lights for the night, I spotted a small black-gold-black moth on the grill. I caught it to put on the white sheet because it was difficult to photograph against the black metal. When I opened the jar next to the black light, it immediately flew back to the grill. I tried it again and it did the same thing! I guess it felt it was better camouflaged against the grill! Today I was able to ID it as #2234 – Anacampsis coverdalella – Coverdale's Anacampsis Moth, it was a new one for me. See attached photo. I also had hundreds of tiny beetles and leafhoppers, it was difficult to spot the very tiny moths among them! I did see what I'm pretty sure is #0663 – Neurobathra strigifinitella (see photo 1). I enjoy the challenge of photographing the tiny moths. Kris Light Oak Ridge, TN Anderson Co.