Apparently, John and other birders he talked to must have thought the bird was not on the TX list when he was considering whether it should be counted, but at this point I think it would be more appropriate for me to drop out of this discussion and leave it to him and others to consider what he said about the issue on his blog. But the issue of Big Year totals may be of more general interest. While most people put Sandy Komito down as having 745 in his Big Year, if you add birds he identified in the year but were not then countable then he has 748. As I have suggested to John I would agree that Sandy certainly has 748 but for reasons of comparability we should perhaps only consider the number of countable birds in the year of the Big Year. The problem is that if we add birds that became countable after the Big Year, then we must do that for everyone's Big Year, and it becomes difficult if not impossible to keep the records straight--or standardized. What really was Vandaman's Big Year, or that of Al Levantin and Greg Miller, to name just a few on the all-time list of Big Years? Of course, what this means is that there are really two lists of all-time Big Years, one of birds seen within the year, and the other, arguably less comparable for historical reasons, of birds currently countable. An interesting conundrum! Kevin Breault Brentwood, TN ________________________________________ From: tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [tn-bird-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Terry Witt [terrywitt@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 9:14 AM To: tn-bird Subject: [TN-Bird] hooded crane countability Not to beat a dead horse but Aplomado Falcon is on the official Texas list as of July 27, 2011 Terry Witt Murfreesboro Tn =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to SIGN YOUR MESSAGE with first and last name, CITY (TOWN) and state abbreviation. 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