Apparently it was taken that the grosbeaks were landing on the ground in the field. They were not, they were landing in the many many sumac thickets in that overgrown field. I never saw them land on the ground... cr "There are some who can live without wild things and some who cannot." - Aldo Leopold<http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/43828.Aldo_Leopold> Carol Reese Ornamental Horticulture Specialist -Western District University of Tennessee Extension Service 605 Airways Blvd. Jackson TN 38301 731 425 4767 email jreese5@xxxxxxx<mailto:jreese5@xxxxxxx>