[TN-Bird] Re: Unusual looking Crane at Hiwassee Refuge

  • From: Michael Todd <birder1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: TN-Birds Bird <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:36:05 -0800

Charles,

I'm far from an expert on cranes, much less crane genetics, but it is entirely 
possible a Hooded Crane could hybridize with Sandhills, don't think it has been 
recorded though. Your bird sounds like a Sandhill with pigment issues from just 
the description though. Hooded and Common are known to hybridize in the wild, 
and these are seen frequently in Japan, South Korea, and China. They are pretty 
obvious though of the mixed parenting, here is a hybrid of this pairing I 
photographed in China:  http://www.pbase.com/update_image/131542990

Good Birding!!

Mike Todd
McKenzie, TN
birder1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.pbase.com/mctodd





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On Fri, 1/23/15, Charles Murray <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Unusual looking Crane at Hiwassee Refuge
 To: "TN-Birds Bird" <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 Date: Friday, January 23, 2015, 10:08 AM
 
 Regarding
 my observations of the "Unusual Looking Crane at
 Hiwassee Refuge" that I asked Starr Klein to post to
 TN-Bird:
 I saw the
 crane Thursday from the viewing area at the Hiwassee
 Wildlife Refuge in Meigs County at Birchwood. I was told
 later by Bernie Sweeny, Yuchi Wildlife Refuge Manager, that
 he and others had seen presumably the same crane last
 Saturday at Hiwassee Refuge during the Sandhill Crane
 Festival. The  color of the feathers covering the body
 reminded me of a chocolate Labrador retriever. The color was
 much darker brown than the photos of the common cranes
 shared by Daniel and Mike. The neck was also very dark
 almost to the head, which to me looked like a sandhill
 crane's head, but I might not have studied the head
 really closely.
 The
 following question is offered to persons far more expert
 than I am in "crane genetics". Is there the
 remotest possibility that a hooded crane might be able to
 produce a hybrid offspring with a sandhill
 crane?
 Charles
 MurrayBirchwood,
 TN 
 
 
     On Friday, January
 23, 2015 9:35 AM, Michael Todd <birder1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 wrote:
     
 
  I
 had that same thought, when I first saw the post as well.
 Common isn't much darker than Sandhill, really few of
 the Cranes are and the ones that are look nothing like a
 Sandhill. Assuming it is a pigment issue, but who knows! I
 photographed a few Sandhills with the big flocks of Common
 Cranes that winter in the Yangtze River Delta of China. The
 color is about the same, with of course Common having the
 distinctive black and white neck and face. It is certainly
 possible we could get a Common at Hiwassee one of these days
 though!! Here are a couple of photos if interested:
 
 http://www.pbase.com/mctodd/image/131542988
 
 http://www.pbase.com/mctodd/image/131589392
 
 (note, young Common are much
 more similar to Sandhills)
 
 Good Birding!!
 
 Mike Todd
 McKenzie, TN
 birder1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 www.pbase.com/mctodd
 
 
 
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 On Fri, 1/23/15, Daniel Estabrooks <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 wrote:
 
  Subject: [TN-Bird]
 Re: Unusual looking Crane at Hiwassee Refuge
  To: "TN-Bird" <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Date: Friday, January 23, 2015, 7:41 AM
  
  FWIW, a
  few
 Common Cranes have turned up in flocks of Sandhills out
  west this year (New Mexico & Texas).
 Definitely
  something to keep an eye out
 for. You never
  know!
  For
 anyone
  who isn't familiar with what a
 Common Crane looks like,
  here's a link
 to a Flickr image:
  https://www.flickr.com/photos/faisca/2201901353
  
  Daniel
 
 EstabrooksWinter
  Haven, FL 
  
  
      On
 Thursday, January
  22, 2015 12:36 PM, Starr
 Klein
  <starr.klein@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 wrote:
  
     
  
   
  
   
   
 
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  Charles
 Murray noticed an
  unusually dark crane
 among the Sandhill Cranes 
  this morning. 
 It isn’t the
  Hooded Crane. 
     
  Starr Klein 
  Chattanooga TOS 
  Chattanooga,
 TN 
     
  
  
  
  
  
  
 
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