I do think there are some wires getting crossed here. I don't think anyone
is calling the immature swans Mutes, although the adult swans reported with
them (and photographed in this checklist:
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41654460 ;) are certainly Mute Swans.
Their origin, of course, would be in question.
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 4:38 PM, Michael Todd <birder1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Juvenile swans can be one of the toughest ID's out there. I wouldn't
discount the possibility at all of these being Trumpeter. The shape of
feathering at the base of the bill, doesn't really work on birds of this
age, as it isn't fully developed. Same goes for the extent of the black
loral area, this can take a while in young Trumpeters to reach its full
extent. The head shape in all of the profile shots, to me, has the classic
Canvasback like profile of Trumpeter, vs the change in angle where the
forehead rises away from the bill typical of Tundra. Just a different
opinion and take on these birds....not saying they are Trumpeter, but this
was my first impression on these birds. The extent of pink, or lack
thereof, probably doesn't sway one way or the other, though many Tundra are
still more extensively pink than this group overall (but not a rule).
Anyway.....:")
Mike Todd
Jackson, TN
On Friday, January 5, 2018 4:11 PM, Marcia Davis <tennwren@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I do not think these look like Mute Swans.
Marcia Davis
Louisville, Tennessee
On 1/5/18 1:25 PM, kde@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
So Eric Bodker has some up-close photos of the immatures from yesterdayin
eBird and the TN Facebook page.time. They do appear slightly smaller but not 10 inches smaller. They have
http://ebird.org/ebird/view/checklist/S41628522
If those are Mute Swans, I give up.
Dean Edwards
Knoxville, TN
On Fri, 5 Jan 2018, Comcast wrote:
It shouldn?t be this hard. 5 adult mute swans. No question there.
4 first year what? They are clearly keeping to themselves most the
very deep pointed foreheads similar to trumpeter and mute. Their tails are
clearly not long like the adult mutes. Eyes are pretty offset like mute
and tundra. Head meeting upper bill profile very smooth and straight more
like a trumpeter.
I?ll be interested when some experts weigh in.
At this point I have to go with Mute Swans on the 4 younger birds but
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knoxville, TN
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