Thanks for taking this back to its roots, Dev. I agree with you heartily. To me the Scientific (Latin) names are far easier to remember and pronounce than English, which tends to hyphenate ad nauseum with no real firm rules on Capitalization. As more splits occur, particularly on birds in the tropics, things really become unwieldy, like Southern Long-toed Beach-Bum. Now why is that easier to say than Pluvia nebularia? By and large the flower people recognized this many years ago, and use scientific names for most plants, throwing in a few English variants from time to time apologetically. But these same people pick up a pair of binoculars and their scientific names vanish. Logic has nothing to do with it. A word of warning on Latin pronuncations: ornithologists from around the world tend to impose the pronunciation of their Native language onto Latin names. They are ornithologists after all, not linguists. So a paper session on Juncos will be pronounced Junk-oes by the Brit, Yuncoes by the Swede, and Huncoes by the Hispanic. Latin, it seems, has evolved in many ways. You haven't lived until you've heard Cuban ornithologist Arturo Kirkconnell, after giving up on whether its a Bank Swallow or a Sand Martin in Ingles, come up with Riparia riparia, with all the Rs heavily trilled. Of course English pronunciation is based entirely on usage, so is constantly changing. It has nothing whatsoever to do with logic, or we'd all be saying Pileated rather than Pilleated, but let's not go there - again. =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net is owned by the Tennessee Ornithological Society Neither the society(TOS) nor its moderator(s) endorse the views or opinions expressed by the members of this discussion group. Moderator: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================