[TN-Bird] Re: Henry County: Mississippi Kite over our yard
- From: knoxmartin2@xxxxxxx
- To: greenesnake@xxxxxxxxx, tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, bb551@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:25:00 -0400 (EDT)
While the Mississippi Kite reintroduction program started in the mid-1980's and
continued for almost 25 years, the birds were released at Paris Landing State
Park in the years 1990-1996, 1998, and finally in 2000. I seriously doubt that
any of the original birds are still alive as the first groups would be from 17
to 23 years old, and the last group would be 13. All the birds were first year
hatches. The studies I have found have a variety of ages, but considering the
two migrations each year plus any number of other problems I doubt any of these
original released kites are still living. I would hope that some of the recent
sightings are their offspring, but that is only a guess (or hope!). With global
warming a factor it would seem probable that the western range of the kite is
expanding east, and the Mississippi River breeding areas could also be
expanding north along the river and tributaries in west Tennessee. Over 350
kites were banded and released during the 25 years of the program as well as
almost 50 local kites that were either raised from chicks or rehabbed at the
Memphis Zoo, and after 2002 at the Mid-South Raptor Center in Memphis.To date
only a single band has been recovered and that band was actually found by a
gentleman in West Memphis, AR, who was raking leaves and found the unattached
band.
Knox Martin
Mid-South Raptor Center
Memphis, Shelby County
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From: Mark Greene <greenesnake@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thu, Jun 13, 2013 10:18 pm
Subject: [TN-Bird] Re: Henry County: Mississippi Kite over our yard
From:
Mark Greene <greenesnake@xxxxxxxxx>;
To:
littlezz@xxxxxxxxx <littlezz@xxxxxxxxx>;
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Re: [TN-Bird] Re: Henry County:
Mississippi Kite over our yard
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Fri, Jun 14, 2013 3:16:05 AM
Splitting hairs if you ask me. I would not hesitate to count a MS Kite in Henry
County. I work all over West TN and have Kites regularly in all the following
counties - Obion, Lake, Gibson, Dyer, Weakley, Crockett, Lauderdale, Haywood,
and Madison. Some of those counties are along the MS River and some are far
away so where do you draw the line? No doubt in my mind that MS Kites are
expanding their range in West TN. Did hacking help their numbers? I would
expect so but trying to decide if you can count them in one county and 1 or 2
counties over you can't is crazy, in my opinion.
Good birding,
Mark Greene
Trenton, TN
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Bill Pulliam <littlezz@xxxxxxxxx>;
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[TN-Bird] Re: Henry County:
Mississippi Kite over our yard
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Fri, Jun 14, 2013 12:11:50 AM
It would (at a minimum) be a matter of probabilities. If the
offspring do not greatly outnumber the releases, then the odds an
individual bird is a release remain non-trivial. It seems the
general practice is that the birds don't "count" until the population
would clearly supporting itself without releases, and consists mostly
of descendents, not releases. This is fuzzy with species like Pock
Pigeon and Trumpeter Swan now; I would think the kite program would
need at least a decade since its inception and evidence of
substantial successful wild reproduction.
Memphis is a different issue; there were already lots of kites along
the Mississippi before the releases began, they just augmented the
population a bit.
This also makes me wonder about the Mississippi Kite that was in
Nashville this spring...
Where there historically Mississippi Kites in the present-day
location of Kentucky Lake? eBird shows next to nothing, and thanks
to Memphis TOS it has west TN data going back to the 1920s.
Bill Pulliam
Hohenwald TN
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:18 PM, wodu1440 tds.net wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Even if they are offspring of said releases? No way of knowing
> that they aren't nor that they have not moved in from out of
> state. Unless of course one can see a band on them.
>
> Clayton Ferrell
>
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