Thanks Carol, for that in depth look into at least one more aspect of the cat/bird issue. You are a brave woman to invite this group to comment, but I know you thrive on such banter and we'll all enjoy the venting, whichever side we're on. I've tried to keep an open mind over the years, knowing that I love birds and cats, and so far I generally end up allowing pet cats their natural inclination to hunt, and the birds their natural inclinations to be wary. With multiple feeders for years, and multiple inside/outside cats, my observations match yours. For example a white-throat was offered to me last week and I thought I might have to chalk one up for the Inside Cat Party. But when I checked the bird, it had a huge tick under its eye that had completely closed the eye. Easy prey. Since I am also an inside/oustide resident and work in both places most days, I know what the cats are up to much of the time. Sure they stalk the birds for sport, but rarely succeed without a little help. But they regularly bring in the mice and rats that feed under the feeders which are much easier prey. They have only rarely gotten any migratory species of concern and I have almost always been able to confirm that, if those weren't already injured or sick, they had hit a window (my fault?). HOWEVER, there is a significant population of feral cats out here as well. I can't say what they are eating, but I do believe they could have a serious impact on a variety of wildlife. (i never see them around my feeders.) I think the increasing coyote population is helping minimize the ferals, but to me, dealing with the wild cats is where we should look for balancing the scales more in favor of the birds. That's my 2 cents worth, and I am still keeping an open mind, so fire away with some real statistics. When I'm convinced, I'll happily keep my cats up. Meredith Clebsch Loudon County, TN p.s - been meaning to comment on the raptor/cat topic. when one on my manx cats was about half grown, he suddenly became terrified of the ceiling fan (still is). since he was about the size of a young rabbit, i imagine he may have had a close encounter from above. =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== The TN-Bird Net requires you to sign your messages with first and last name, city (town) and state abbreviation. ----------------------------------------------------- To post to this mailing list, simply send email to: tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ----------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, send email to: tn-bird-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Topographical Maps located at http://topozone.com/find.asp * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the Tennessee Ornithological Society web site at http://www.tnbirds.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * TN-Bird Net Owner: Wallace Coffey, Bristol, TN jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx (423) 764-3958 =========================================================