Bates- This is a difficult ID if not in hand. First thing to note is that Black-chin is certainly possible; there are four or five previous records for TN and this is the time of year when we would expect one to first appear. The best thing to do is take pictures; the shape of p10 is the best field mark. In addition, Black-chin averages a much longer and slightly decurved bill compared to Ruby-throat. I also thing the call notes is subtly different - slightly lower-pitched and less raspy - but other folks have called me crazy on that one. ;) Chris Sloan Nashville, TN http://www.chrissloanphotography.com On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Bates E. <wgpu239@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Birders, > > I need some help with this one. > > > > The last regular hummingbirds I saw at my feeders here near Norris > (Anderson > County) was on Oct. 5. There were all the regular R-T humms. that had been > coming all summer, absent the mature males. > > > Then, this past Fri. (Oct.16) a lone female appeared at one of my feeders > and has been there regularly since. > > > > It appears, pretty clearly, to be a mature female *Archilochus. *It's most > likely a Ruby-Throated, but several things argue for Black-Chinned. > > > First, even in bright sunlight (today, PTL) the back is a dull green > (nothing like the bright green RTs I saw all summer), and its head is dull > grayish-green. There?s a pale grayish patch behind the eye. There is a > pale buff wash on its flanks. The wings, which end just above the tip of > the tail, are not clearly ?sharp pointed? or more rounded. > Most-significantly, > it flashes its tail *constantly* as it hovers. > > > > Is Black-Chinned out of the question? If not, is there any way of making > this ID without the bird in hand? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Bates Estabrooks > > Andersonville, Anderson Cty. > > =================NOTES TO SUBSCRIBER===================== > > The TN-Bird Net requires you to SIGN YOUR MESSAGE with > first and last name, CITY (TOWN) and state abbreviation. > You are also required to list the COUNTY in which the birds > you report were seen. 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