[TN-Bird] Re: FW: Re: You don't harvest animals
- From: "john sanders" <johnnval@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <raincrow@xxxxxxxxxx>, <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 06:21:13 -0600
I agree wholeheartedly. It is what it is. Most of us are isolated from the
process that keeps us in food/alive. We all live on this planet at the
expense of some other species. Be thankful,respectful,aware but why be coy?
John Sanders
Petersburg,Tn.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raincrow" <raincrow@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: [TN-Bird] FW: Re: You don't harvest animals
>I probably should just keep my 2 cents to myself, but of course I'm not
>that restrained.
> I think I understand where both of you are coming from, Kelly, and I agree
> in part with your analogies ("hired killer" -- good one; I never thought
> about it quite that way). However, I think I come down a bit more on Mr.
> Brooks' side. I've done my share of hunting and fishing through the years,
> and still believe these are worthwhile pasttimes (which animal has a
> better life? the one raised in an Auschwitz-like factory farm or the one
> that lives a full, natural life in the wild until it meets a bullet?).
> However, I decidedly do not like euphemisms like "harvest" -- I look upon
> it as an attempt to sanitize a messy, irreversible act in which I exert my
> will with complete finality over the will and life of another creature. I
> do not harvest squirrels, deer, grouse, sauger, crappie, etc., I kill them
> so I can take them home and eat them. I parse it more or less this way:
> When I harvest peas & beans & taters, I can plant what I've harvested and
> get more peas & beans & taters. When
> I harvest a rabbit, it's dead forever and that's that.
>
> I spent several years working in research laboratories where the word
> "sacrifice" was used when we killed rats, rabbits, chickens, mice, etc. To
> me, the word "sacrifice" has a religious/ceremonial/spiritual connotation
> that had absolutely nothing to do with the killing activities I saw and
> participated in. People were quite perfunctorily (and not always gently or
> humanely, to my outrage) killing animals to use their body parts for
> research. Others' lack of empathy for lab animals drove me away from
> animal-oriented research (I bravely switched to bacteria, which I found I
> could kill by the billions without compunction because they did not scream
> or look at me with moist, brown eyes).
>
> Throughout our entire history, we have killed plants and animals for food,
> clothing, decoration, car seat covers, shelter, religious purposes,
> intoxication, etc., etc., etc. "Kill" is a perfectly apt, legitimate, and
> accurate word. I think all of us who hunt, fish, collect insects, etc.,
> should relax and get comfortable with all the various connotations of the
> word or else just put down our guns, traps, bows, etc., because there will
> always be people who are not fans of killing animals through hunting,
> fishing, etc.
>
> Peace out,
>
> Liz Singley
> Kingston TN
>
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> From : luvsbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:luvsbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent : 1/25/2009 3:59:51 PM
> To : tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc :
> Subject : FW: [TN-Bird] Re: You don't harvest animals
>
>
> I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed Mr Brooks' argument that "we don't
> harvest game". Says who (other than the Johnson City Press)? If an agency
> creates & manages habitat for game animals and subsequently sets hunting
> seasons and bag limits for said animals, why would the take of such
> animals NOT be considered a harvest? It is not that "TWRA and other hunter
> groups are trying to convince us" that it is a harvest - it IS a harvest.
>
> Unfortunately, many in the media are "trying to convince us" that
> modern-day legalized hunting is merely the evil pursuit of sadistic
> "killers" - therefore they ban the word "harvest" and replace it with
> "kill" in all their reporting.
>
> I find the ultimate irony in Mr Brooks' piece to be that a hunter is a
> "killer" but an ornithologist is a "collector". If a hunter and an
> ornithologist go afield together and each take a quail (bad example, I
> know) with a gun, why is it that the hunter "killed" his with some
> "high-powered weapon", but the ornithologist "collected" his with his
> "fowling piece"? It would seem to me that the ornithologist who "ends up
> eating the remains of his specimen after skinning it" (as is usually done;
> or so claimed) is as much a "killer" as he is a "collector". Seems to be a
> matter of perspective.
>
> What about those that sit at their kitchen window watching a bird feeder
> while enjoying a good cheeseburger? I suppose if said birdwatcher
> slaughters his own cattle and grinds it into burger he is a "killer" - but
> if he buys his burger presumably the Johnson City Press refers to him as a
> "hired killer".
>
> Don't be fooled into thinking the Johnson City Press selectively changes
> the word "harvest" to "kill" as a matter of style. It is being changed as
> a matter of prejudice.
>
> Now, about that Harpy Eagle stew - when can we go "collecting".......
>
> Respectfully,
> Kelly Roy
> Knoxville TN
> -------------- Original message from
> jameswbrooks@xxxxxxxxxxx: --------------
>
>
>> Someone used this euphemism in the discussion of what various birds taste
>> like. TWRA and other hunter groups are trying to convince us that we
>> "harvest" game. I think that's so mom will let dad take her 10-year-old
>> out with a high-powered rifle to kill a deer, when he's really at the age
>> when he should be hunting
>> rabbits with a .22. ( or bank fishing, or birding with binoculars).
>> As a style matter on the outdoors page of the Johnson City Press, any
>> mention of "harvest" that doesn't apply to grain is changed to "kill".
>> When the news department used to write the obituaries, people "died",
>> they did not pass away
>> or go to sleep with Jesus like they do now that obits are paid ads.
>> Ornithologists who have collected specimens usually end up eating the
>> remains
>> after skinning what they have taken with their fowling piece.
>> Nothing quite like a bowl of Harpy Eagle stew to go with your study skin,
>> or so I've been told. With video and other technology I wonder if field
>> ornithologists
>> still collect specimens?
>>
>> Arturo Kirkconnell , author of the Cuban Field Guide, took me into the
>> specimen
>> room at Museo Nacional de Historia Natural in Havana to show me his
>> Gundlach's
>> Hawk specimen, since we didn't find a live one at Playa Larga .
>> Appropriately
>> they are all kept in cigar boxes in Havana. But the GH skin was gone,
>> stolen.
>> The Museo cannot afford security when they can only afford to pay their
>> curator
>> $27 a month.
>>
>> Sorry to wander. Part of the aging process.
>>
>>
>>
>> James Brooks
>>
>>
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