Right you are and thanks to all for clearing the clouds from my brain. Must have been the elevation that got me all twisted up. Ironically, as I sat reading today's emails leading me in the right direction, a Dark-eyed Junco was having a nice sunflower seed meal under my feeder here in Wilson county. Mitch Mobley Lebanon (Laguardo)TN EXCALIBUR ACRES Wilson County ----- Original Message ----- From: David Trently To: 19660211mm@xxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Smokies Hi Mitch. Glad to see you took time to report some birds found in the Smokies. Concerning the birds with white outer tail feather, a really good possibility is Dark-eyed Junco. Fairly common in the Smokies, and more likely this time of year than Gnatcatchers. Were the birds seen near the ground, or at least lower in vegetation? That would point strongly to Junco, and away from Gnatcatchers, which are usually higher up in trees (though either species can go to anywhere they like!) David Trently ...come see the real world... Partnership for International Birding http://www.pibird.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4000 - Release Date: 11/06/11