[TN-Bird] Re: Can TWRA license you to look and when to look ?

  • From: ahoodedwarbler@xxxxxxx
  • To: jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx, tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:37:52 -0500

 I can't find any point of disagreement at all with Wallace in his analysis 
presented in his post.

I think he has said it all very well.

I will say I have had a bluebird "watchable wildlife" tag from the beginning of 
the program, and that should entitle me to something, and I'm not talking about 
extra fees.

Bryan Stevens
Hampton, TN

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wallace Coffey <jwcoffey@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: Tennessee Birds <tn-bird@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Dec 14, 2010 2:54 pm
Subject: [TN-Bird] Can TWRA license you to look and when to look ?


A basic freedom will hold that the state wildlife agency

cannot tell you what you can look at and when you can look.



Just imagine how you would ever define what birding is.  Is

it looking at birds in your backyard ?  Noticing an eagle 

perched in a big tree near the road ?  Watching a flock of

cranes flying over a city park, or looking at them from the

road in a farmer's field ?  Are you watching birds if you are

sitting in your house, in your car or standing on a public

right-of-way ?  What about looking from a boat ? 



Is it different if you look at a field of cranes without binoculars

or with binoculars or with a scope ?  What about families

who simply stop to show their children the big birds or seniors

out for a ride and happen to notice the birds.  Will there have

to be teenage licenses to bird ?  Will you have to take a

birding safety course from TWRA at a nearby recreation

center so they can further justify their operations ?  



Will there be a different fee for looking at an eagle than looking

at a vireo or woodpecker ?  Will you have to have a permit to

put out birdfeedrs or host a wintering hummingbird ?



All of this sounds silly but it has to do with where it begins and

end and if it begins or ends with your ability to look and see

God's creations.  If so,  then that is tragic and more freedom 

is at risk.  Is there an agency that can charge you watch the

sunset ?  If one of them can figure a way to do so, you will

have to have a heartbeat in a minute.



Republicans harp about wanting less government.  Turning

your birding life over to TWRA is not less government.  They

talk about less taxes.  Buying a license or paying a tax to

TWAR is not less government.  



The only reason we would buy a hunting license and such is

so we can give the state some money because we want the

influence to have them give us some money back ?  I fear

there is sort of a mentality that TWRA is becomoing the 

wildlife monetary bank ?  Everyone makes a deposit but a few

are willing to draw on deposits.   I don't ask TWRA to give

me grants or any other kinds of money.  I have given them

thousands over the years.  They have mostly spent wildlife

money on what benefits them.  If I were going to the wildlife

bank to ask for a handout to benefit projects I am interested

in, then I would want to impress them that I give when the

offering plate is being passed.  Or when they are making

a hunting regulation I don't agree with.



We don't need to hold up a hunting liscense in order to prove

that we have a right to remind them that they are charged by

law to manage the wildlife and fisheries resources of the state.



They already have their hands in my pockets everytime I

buy a pair of binoculars and for everyone who owns a pair

for no other reason than to simply watch boats pass by their home

and see who is on their lands.  They have no more rights to

want dollars from the sale of birding field guides than they should

to want taxes from every vehicle that drives on the public

highway.  They get that in some states and they would love

every penny of it in Tennessee ?



Should you have to buy an out-of-state birding permit if you

go across the bridge to Arkansas, or Georgia, Kentucky, into

North Carolina at Roan Mountain or the Smokies or even on

the Bristol Christmas Bird Count in Virginia at South Holston

Lake ?  Should we pay for a license depending on what state

we are in when we are looking ?  At Musick's Campground on

South Holston Lake, we are on private property and a significant

number of the birds we see are in Virginia ?  Are we not allowed

to look over in Virginia from Tennessee without paying for a

permit in Tennessee ? Just things we don't think about when we

get too ambitious about giving TWRA the right to a licenses 

for birding.



I have told TWRA, that if they want to have an entry fee and

a window sticker to drive into a state-owned wildlife management

area OK.  Everyone with a picnic, jogging, taking photos and

birding or playomg cards will be required to pay the same fee.  The

first thing they will want to do is declare the 600,000 acres of

the Cherokee National Forest as needing one of their birding

permits, claiming that is a wildlife management area with the

US Forest Service.  They do not spend a a quarter an acre

on anything that has to do with songbirds in the National Forest.

Most of what they spend money on is some college faculty 

who want monies from them for whatever they may be doing.

TWRA pays some faculty people a ton of money simply to

teach their wildlife officers how to look at birds.  Who did you pay ?

Then TVA will want a big ole permit but they have trouble keeping

their roads open, toilets operating and gates unlocked to the

general public as it is.



Most of the volks in East Tennessee have an very significant

amount of public lands and right-of-ways for birding.  That is

not true in much of the rest of the state.  TWRA would require

you to buy your gas at one of their state-owened gas pumps

at a major inflated price before you could drive into these vast

areas, if they could figure a way to get their hands on our

monies.



I understand why some people on this list will want more access

and why some will want more handouts in the form of dollars

from TWRA.  But most of the birders of this state are not in

need of either.



Wallace Coffey

Bristol, TN











   





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first and last name, CITY (TOWN) and state abbreviation.
You are also required to list the COUNTY in which the birds
you report were seen.  The actual DATE OF OBSERVATION should
appear in the first paragraph.
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