Ah you're asking the wrong person - yes I am English - I put forward the fact that the UK is NOT trading on the Euro as an example of the inherent British distrust of handing over the keys to the farm to a third party to run.. John Burke (408) 515 4992 _____ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Davy Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:23 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: NTC EU discord over EU rule John, There may be cracks in the dam, but totalitarians don't give up easily. They will find other ways to stay in power. It's been several years now since the draft EU constitution was rejected in the only two countries where ordinary citizens were given the opportunity to vote on it. The result? No discernible change - the same elitist mentality prevails. Similarly, even after a court decision and massive evidence of its safety, the Swedish government is keeping up its efforts to ban deca-BDE. "We know better than you do what is best for you, so just do as we say and no one will get hurt." As I recall you're from Great Britain - wouldn't you agree that Europeans generally have less distrust of too much government power than people in the US (and that's how this juggernaut got launched)? What magnitude of disaster would it take to dismantle the EU bureaucracy and send the politicians packing - or even make the legislative process transparent and them accountable to voters? To all subscribers, did you get any sense of which way the news reporter for this story was leaning? (e.g., his use of the terms "better educated" and "scruffy.") Gordon Davy