Really good information, Mike! This could really be another tip on the RoHS iceberg. I believe that high lead-content solders have been around for quite a few years, but this could be that there is a "new" succeptibility for high lead solders associated with the higher processing temperatures associated with SAC305 assembly processes? This looks like something that should be hitting the CPUs, as well. The really sad thing about this is that the general public is oblivious to the uncertain product quality that they are laying down their money for. And if anyone in industry tries to wake them, that person's employer will get a blackeye, the we all know what that will result in for the employee. Very troubling, Ed -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike Finczak Sent: 2008 Aug 26 10:53 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Exemption on high temperature lead solder Niki, Bert and Ed, Take a look at this article posted on TomsHardware regarding Nvidia GPU failures. The failures may have been caused by the use of High Lead solder. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-GPU-failure,6248.html Regards, Mike Finczak CopperCAD Design www.CopperCAD.com 905-488-8958 -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Parnagian, Ed Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:04 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Exemption on high temperature lead solder Hi, Bert! Yes, it seems inconsistent with the stated objectives of RoHS, but it is a good example of what pushing back with data can achieve. These high lead-content solders all have very high melting points. They are used by device manufacturers to make internal interconnects in devices that have very high power densities. Best regards, Ed -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mason, Bert Sent: 2008 Aug 26 8:32 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Exemption on high temperature lead solder Abandon all rationality Ye who enter the world of RoHS and the EU. Welcome to our world Best Regards, Bert Mason Quality Engineer Formation Inc. Building 1 121 Whittendale Dr. Moorestown, NJ 08057 Phone: 856-380-2956 Fax: 856-234-5242 -----Original Message----- From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Niki Steenkamp Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:24 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Exemption on high temperature lead solder Hi, I have been looking over some of the official RoHS documents and have seen that there is an exemption on high temperature lead solder (more than 85% lead). Not having done any more research on the subject I was wondering: * Why the exemption exists? * Why not use more than 85% lead to circumvent the pure tin problem? Maybe the temperature is unacceptably high? I also noticed that mercury is limited but not banned in fluorescent lights. Just thinking of the millions of fluorescent lights being dumped in landfills each year I cannot see how this can be viewed as acceptable while ALL lead had to be removed from electronics. Furthermore, lead in batteries are exempt. There is probably more lead in my car battery than in a thousand PC motherboards and how many of these batteries end up in landfills each year? Just seems strangely warped... Regards, Niki E-mail Disclaimer http://www.sunspace.co.za/emaildisclaimer.htm The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, forwarding, dissemination, or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, forwarding, dissemination, or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.