Interesting point. No it was not my intention ever to "push back" on organizations that in the main are trying to improve the "health" of the planet, and I have subscribed to a number of them over the years - mainly those concerned with the provision of unpolluted drinking water in third World countries. On Greenpeace, It is my belief (and could be mistaken) that on average they do more good than bad. It is a pity that while highlighting the fact that there is a huge amount of lead from electronics in the Chinese (and elsewhere) poorly managed, and uncontrolled "recycling" areas (although recycling is the wrong word entirely) that they fail to point out that the issue is not to do with regular electronics but more to do with the exploitive uncontrolled nature of the recycling facility where the work is taking place. I believe actually on that point that if they had actually to stepped back and lobbied for more recycling controls, and in the process headed off the RoHS lead in solders ban fiasco that they could have done far more good on a planetary basis that any amount of elemental lab analysis of laptops which to my mind was a pointless exercise. But lets not miss the point; - it was the EU that legislated the case, not Greenpeace. Maybe I need to reconsider that donation though... I believe I will allow the attendees to state a preference for the environmental non profit of their choice for my percentage of their course fees. John Burke (408) 515 4992 _____ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Davy Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 7:14 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Environmentally friendly electronics training course John, If you had posted your statement that you were contributing to Greenpeace yesterday, I would have dismissed it as an April Fool's joke. I have no problem with your telling people how to comply with the RoHS directive, but could you please explain your reasoning for contributing to the organization more responsible than any other for its existence? Are you the same John Burke who runs Push Back? Gordon Davy