Dear Gordon, Global warming is a subject that none of us here is, I suspect, a subject matter expert. The subject in this forum is tin whiskers and we all have various degrees of expert knowledge about the subject and that's what we should focus on. I think it is counterproductive to go off on a tangent on a subject of which there is considerable vocal disagreement. I can't speak for how rational or irrational the science on global warming is. I'm leaving that to the climate scientists and meterologists to sort out. Besides, it seems to me that there's a lot of positive effects to come from dealing with the potential threat of climate change. Improved efficency in energy consuming products for one. New sources of energy for another. Wind turbines now are being built in Germany that will produce 7MW each! Solar (both PV and sterling engine), tidal, the potential of fusion (still off in the future but still theoretically quite possible. A fusion physicst friend (retired from NRL) proposes fusion-fission as an intermediary solution as that burns up the waste as it is being generated. None of these developments would be seeing the major investments they are now getting were it not for the recent spike in the price of oil. And of course the cartel cleverly lowers the price every time we get started on alternative energy so the threat of global warming keeps the heat on (so to speak) to develop these new sources to compete with oil. And that's a good thing, don't you think? For no other reason than national security (economic as well as defense). So global warming turns out to be a tempest in a teapot, so what? Plenty of new jobs and industries are being created. Isn't that's a lot better than continuing to burn fossil fuels, esp. coal? It seems so to me. I have my hands full dealing with lead being removed from solder. I'm content to deal with that. Bob From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gordon Davy Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:18 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Do-Gooders Bob, What's to decouple? Phil Shewmaker shared some valuable information on what he is seeing coming into his company for service. His only mention of global warming was that its proponents act in exactly the same way as the proponents of other activist causes, including RoHS. After having been an observer since my days in Berkeley in the 1960s, I think his characterization of "Do-Gooder" activist behavior is quite accurate. It would be off-topic to speculate on who wrote their play book, so I won't. But I will say that what ties all their goals together is a desire to reduce the freedom of us little people and to concentrate power in the hands of an elite (of which they will be members, of course). Gordon