But only in the minds of evil technocrats like ourselves … the ultimate source of all that burdens our societies. Oppps! That last part only applies to the lawyers/politicians and used car salesmen … ;o) Ed From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Werner engelmaier Sent: 2009 Feb 13 1:33 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? Au contraire— 'green' now means 'environmentally unfriendly.' Werner -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bruneel <patrick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 1:20 pm Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? Dewey, Lol I told her that it didn’t matter what color candles she sold as long as they were GREEN. [cid:image003.jpg@01C98DFE.730903B0] ________________________________ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?>] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE) Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:00 PM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; TechNet E-Mail Forum Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? You told her that so the burnt offerings would reveal their wicked past or that today’s enlightenment was just a waxen image of its former self. Dewey ________________________________ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?>] On Behalf Of Patrick Bruneel Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:38 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? John, My daughter has a flower store in Europe and I advised her to also sell candles they will need a lot of them soon ☺ [cid:image004.jpg@01C98DFE.730903B0] ________________________________ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?>] On Behalf Of John Burke Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:13 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? Someone banned the Gas chips?......8-) John Burke (408) 515 4992 ________________________________ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?>] On Behalf Of Patrick Bruneel Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 9:11 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? Good one Werner Would the eco-enemies have something to do with the current economy? In Belgium 1/3 of their mobile network went down (and they still don’t know why). [cid:image005.jpg@01C98DFE.730903B0] ________________________________ From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?>] On Behalf Of Werner engelmaier Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:49 AM To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; DENNIS.D.FRITZ@xxxxxxxx<mailto:DENNIS.D.FRITZ@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? It is a minimum of 3% Pb not exactly 3% Pb. This whole Pb-ban is so silly [or would be if it were not so sad]. In the name of being 'green', we now use more energy [so much for sustainability], more vapor phase soldering [so much for being eco-friendly], throw more things in the garbage [more environmental friendliness not to say anythingabout inconvenience, economic loss and reduced safety], retrofit Pb-free components with Pb [ wouldn't it be better and easier making them with SnPb solder in the first place], With all these 'green' friends [who do not know what the hell they are doing], who needs eco-enemies. Werner -----Original Message----- From: Fritz, Dennis D. <DENNIS.D.FRITZ@xxxxxxxx<mailto:DENNIS.D.FRITZ@xxxxxxxx>> To: tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:55 am Subject: [tinwhiskers] Bourns announces hot dipping of tin - comments? I was wondering if there are any comments about this whisker mitigation strategy announced in Electronic Design News yesterday by Bourns. This says "hot dipped tin" as in lead-free. Seems to me if this is really pure tin, it would be really hot exposure of the components, and I am seeking any data to say how much better "dipped tin" would be than "plated tin" for mitigation. Seems to me they could hot dip 3% lead in tin, but I guess that would be a special order for RoHS exempt industries. Denny Thursday, February 12, 2009 Hot-dipped-tin process offers path to increased market share in competitive times Feb 12 2009 11:15AM | Permalink <http://www.edn.com/blog/1470000147/post/190040619.html> | Email this <http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=blogEmail&blog_id70000147&blog_post_id0040619<http://www.edn.com/index.asp?layout=blogEmail&blog_id%1470000147&blog_post_id%190040619>> | Comments (0) <https://mclmail.saic.com/exchange/fritzdd/Drafts/RE:%20[tinwhiskers]%20RoHS2%20is%20coming%20-%20will%20it%20work%20better%20than%20RoHS_x003F_.EML/1_text.htm#comments<https://mclmail.saic.com/exchange/fritzdd/Drafts/RE:%20%5Btinwhiskers%5D%20RoHS2%20is%20coming%20-%20will%20it%20work%20better%20than%20RoHS_x003F_.EML/1_text.htm#comments>> | Blog This! using: Blogger.com <http://www.blogger.com/blog-this.g?t=%3cblockquote%3eOne+of+the+concerns+of+companies+complying+with+lead%2Dfree+manufacturin<http://www.blogger.com/blog-this.g?t=%3cblockquote%3eOne+of+the+concerns+of+companies+complying+with+lead%2Dfree+manufacturing+processes+under+the+European+ROHS+%28Restriction+of+Hazardous+Substances%29+dir%2E%2E%2E%3c%2fblockquote%3e&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww.edn.com%2fblog%2f1470000147%2fpost%2f190040619.html&n=Hot%2Ddipped%2Dtin+process+offers+path+to+increased+market+share+in+competitive+times> g+processes+under+the+European+ROHS+%28Restriction+of+Hazardous+Substances%29+dir%2E%2E%2E%3c%2fblockquote%3e&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww.edn.com%2fblog%2f1470000147%2fpost%2f190040619.html&n=Hot%2Ddipped%2Dtin+process+offers+path+to+increased+market+share+in+competitive+times<http://www.blogger.com/blog-this.g?t=%3cblockquote%3eOne+of+the+concerns+of+companies+complying+with+lead%2Dfree+manufacturing+processes+under+the+European+ROHS+%28Restriction+of+Hazardous+Substances%29+dir%2E%2E%2E%3c%2fblockquote%3e&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww.edn.com%2fblog%2f1470000147%2fpost%2f190040619.html&n=Hot%2Ddipped%2Dtin+process+offers+path+to+increased+market+share+in+competitive+times>> | LiveJournal <http://www.livejournal.com/update.bml?mode=full&event=%3Ca%20href%3Dhttp%3a%2f%2ffeeds.feedburner.com%2fT<http://www.livejournal.com/update.bml?mode=full&event=%3Ca%20href%3Dhttp%3a%2f%2ffeeds.feedburner.com%2fTimyangDotComGeekBlog%3fm%3d129%3EHot%2Ddipped%2Dtin+process+offers+path+to+increased+market+share+in+competitive+times%3C/a%3E%20:%20%3cblockquote%3eOne+of+the+concerns+of+companies+complying+with+lead%2Dfree+manufacturing+processes+under+the+European+ROHS+%28Restriction+of+Hazardous+Substances%29+dir%2E%2E%2E%3c%2fblockquote%3e> imyangDotComGeekBlog%3fm%3d129%3EHot%2Ddipped%2Dtin+process+offers+path+to+increased+market+share+in+competitive+times%3C/a%3E%20:%20%3cblockquote%3eOne+of+the+concerns+of+companies+complying+with+lead%2Dfree+manufacturing+processes+under+the+European+ROHS+%28Restriction+of+Hazardous+Substances%29+dir%2E%2E%2E%3c%2fblockquote%3e<http://www.livejournal.com/update.bml?mode=full&event=%3Ca%20href%3Dhttp%3a%2f%2ffeeds.feedburner.com%2fTimyangDotComGeekBlog%3fm%3d129%3EHot%2Ddipped%2Dtin+process+offers+path+to+increased+market+share+in+competitive+times%3C/a%3E%20:%20%3cblockquote%3eOne+of+the+concerns+of+companies+complying+with+lead%2Dfree+manufacturing+processes+under+the+European+ROHS+%28Restriction+of+Hazardous+Substances%29+dir%2E%2E%2E%3c%2fblockquote%3e>> | Digg This <http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=www.edn.com/blog/1470000147/post/190040619.html> | Slashdot This <http://slashdot.org/submit.pl> | add to Del.icio.us <http://del.icio.us/post> One of the concerns of companies complying with lead-free <http://www.edn.com/hot-topic/48810/rohs.html> manufacturing processes under the European ROHS <http://www.edn.com/hot-topic/48810/rohs.html> (Restriction of Hazardous Substances) directive is the tin whiskers that can develop over time on tin plating. Trim pot manufacturer Bourns <http://www.bourns.com/> recently announced it was shifting its entire line to a new hot-dipped-tin process for the trim pots' terminals. Bourns will no longer offer the old matte-finished parts because of the tin-whisker danger. Although the company made the change at the request of its customers, it won't be passing the price increase on. Emill Melliz, Bourns' potentiometer product line manager, puts the price increase at between 5-7%. Why is Bourns eating this not-inconsiderable amount? They see it as a way to increase market share in a very competitive economy. Smart company. ________________________________ The information contained in this message may be confidential and legally protected under applicable law. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, forwarding, dissemination, or reproduction of this message is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. 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