Fellows, I was laughing at ACE for offering such a product. I think the idea of having to coat each part with lead or removing lead from each part is ludicrous. It is horribly expensive to use a process such as this and it encourages conformity to the lead free requirement in RoHS. Have we really come to this? In the year 2008? I find this hard to believe.... It is wrong to legislate SCIENCE. The Catholic Church tried that with Galileo. The earth still went around the sun; it did not matter that the Church declared the sun went around the earth and that the earth was the center of the universe. There is no, I repeat, NO practical substitute for lead; None, Nada, Zip. This is not debatable at this time. Some day perhaps a cure will be found for tin whiskers but there is NONE today or tomorrow. We do not know how to stop them; we do not completely understand why they grow in the first place. If you have no lead whatsoever in the tin plating on your electronic parts (and that means less than 3%) then you will guarantee that in >3 years time, according to NASA, The US Navy and the US Air Force as well as all the experts at mil/aerospace companies that I have personally talked with (and at this point that is quite a few) your products will grow tin whiskers and they will fail. Tin whiskers grow through SAC alloys, they grow through conformal coatings, they are conductive and they cause failures. Period. This is not an inconvenience, this is a catastrophe in the making. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be on some really good drug or in a total state of denial. The tin whiskers will come home to short your products; just give them time. If 3 years life is acceptable for you; well then good for you. I don't think that quality makers of heart pacemakers, satellites, airplanes, missiles and nuclear weapons will consent to a 3 year life of their products. Not even automakers and telecommunications makers would accept such a short lifespan for their products. And you would not want them to. Would you? Bob Landman, President Senior Member, IEEE PES H&L Instruments, LLC North Hampton, NH 03862-0580 www.hlinstruments.com From: tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tinwhiskers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Engelmaier@xxxxxxx Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:00 PM To: lauhs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; tinwhiskers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; rlandman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [tinwhiskers] Re: ACE Develops Lead Tinning System Hi John, How are you? Have not seen you in a while. I am happy as a lark, enjoying my family with my 6 grandkids. Also, I am still enjoying what I am doing, getting quite a bit of golf in, some tennis, and of course, skiing in the winter. Well, I agree we are stuck with this Pb-ban nonsense. However, it was RoHS that started it all. There is absolutely no logical, environmental or technical reason for this Pb-ban, and ALL the consequences are bad. Sure, we can find workarounds, none of which are as good and environmentally benign as the good old SnPb. But why go through this exercise, and all the resources wasted on this, when the outcome is environmentally less sound. Just so the politicians can proclaim to the ignorant constituency "Look what we have done for you!" Too bad that Hans Christian Andersen's' fable 'The Emperor's New Clothes' is a fable, and no such little child would have the impact with his "The emperor is naked!" Regards, Werner Engelmaier 可靠性先生 Engelmaier Associates, L.C. Electronic Packaging, Interconnection and Reliability Consulting 7 Jasmine Run Ormond Beach, FL 32174 USA Phone: 386-437-8747, Cell: 386-316-5904 E-mail: Engelmaier@xxxxxxx, Website: www.engelmaier.com