[THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE

  • From: "Chris Lynch" <lynch00@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:29:38 -0700

Comments inline.

Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luchette, Jon
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:11 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
> 
> Well, I work for a hospital so: 
> 
> 100% uptime is a must.  Even our reboot schedule is set up so 
> that Zero downtime is needed.
> Our core applications are mainly the Office 2k suite, Outlook 
> XP, and our main HIS app (meditech magic).
> We have about 30 users per each of the seven boxes right now. 
>  I would say that all in all our servers at not near max utilization.
> Currently we do not really have any set DR requirements, it 
> is just "get that server up and get it up fast..."

Eww!  Meditech.

> 
> However we are looking at HP's rapid deployment pack for 
> imaging/restoring our Citrix boxes, as it supposedly plays 
> nice with remapped drives on MF boxes whereas some of the 
> other big boys like Ghost and Imagecast do not necessarily. 

I have had success with Ghost and V2i.  HP's RD is a cool utility.
 
> 
> That is another thing, we were looking at HP's Blades, and 
> they (HP) kept using the imaging/restore/DR capabilities of 
> their Blades and their RDP (rapid deployment kit) as a main 
> selling point for buying Blades, and the truth is that you 
> can run that utility just as effectively with DL360's as with 
> Blades!  So when we walked out of there, in our minds all we 
> were left with as an advantage to Blades with Citrix, was 
> less rack space, and that is not reason enough for me to 
> convert my entire farm from DL360's to Blades...

If you are going to get the BL series from HP, then the only way to install
the OS on their blades.

> 
> I just think where I have a set amount of money that I can 
> spend, either on Blades or on VMWare, I would think there 
> would be more advantage to going the VMWare route.  I think 
> this because our main concern is with DR and rolling out new 
> apps, patches, and hotfixes in the middle of the day without 
> downtime.  If you think about it, with hardware becoming less 
> and less expensive, the whole idea behind VMWare goes a long way.

Yes it does.  Then, I would probably go the ESX route with VirtualCenter.
But, do keep in mind that if you want to fully utilize all of the features
(mainly Vmotion), you will need a SAN in place where your ESX server will be
connected to.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:47 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
> 
> 
> You would need to provide more info on the install.  What is 
> the average
> utilization of your servers?  What apps do you run?  How many 
> users log into
> your servers?  Average?  Max?  What is your current DR 
> requirements?  What
> is your time to recovery SLA?  All of this should dictate 
> which route you
> go.
> 
> Chris 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luchette, Jon
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 1:36 PM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
> > 
> > Because I can not buy both.  It is either VMWare or Blades.
> > Money is tight.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shonk, Joe - Perot [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:48 AM
> > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: blades versus VMWARE
> > 
> > 
> > So why not run VMWare on blades?
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Luchette, Jon [mailto:JLuchette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:20 AM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] blades versus VMWARE
> > 
> > 
> > Just wanted to get a discussion going on a decision that I am
> > trying to
> > tackle in terms of MF...  Right now our environment looks 
> > like this: seven
> > MF servers running MF XP FR3 on Windows 2k Server sp4, 2 
> > NFuse servers also
> > with CSG installed on both running Win2k Advanced Server 
> sp4, and all
> > servers are Compaq DL 360's (some G1, some G2)  with dual 
> > 1ghz processors
> > and 2gb RAM, we have a SAN now (HP EVA 5000) but are not 
> > currently housing
> > any MF data on it. 
> >  
> > Ideally we would be able to install MF on some new blade
> > servers, house the
> > data on the SAN, and utilize VMWARE as well.  That is not 
> > going to happen
> > here, we just don't have the money for it.  However, we may 
> > have the money
> > for either one OR the other.  All things considered in 
> terms of MF in
> > particular, which one would you rather have in your data 
> > center and why?  I
> > know they do different things, but when you match those 
> > things up against
> > one another, which one has more advantages? 
> >  
> > /jL
> >  
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