The OS is win 2000. Do you mean replacing the HP Color LaserJet 4500 driver on the Citrix Win 2000 box(which is the UPD II driver by default) with the HP Color LaserJet 4500 from Win 2k3 CD OR generally to use the Windows 2003 version drivers as native drivers on the the Win2k box - eg. Lexmark Win2k3 drivers for Lexmark printers? If I understand your email I think you are suggesting this type of ordered preference for printing on a Win2k Citrix box: 1)For a Xerox Phaser 4400(can replace this model with any non-HP Laserjet) first try using the Windows 2003 native driver for this Xerox printer ie. the Xerox driver that comes on the Win2k3 CD to map to clients Xerox printer/driver. 2)Next to try would be the Win2k driver on the Win2k CD 3) If the Xerox Phaser driver not available on Win2k3 or Win2k CD download from the manufacturer a version 3 driver for that model which can generally tell by looking at Server properties in Printer settings to see if it says win2k driver OR win2k and NT driver(in which case with NT is version2 and to be avoided). Is that method of checking always foolproof? Thinking some manufacturers could be cutting corners and claim a driver is version 3 but not actually be. 4)Use the UPD II or UPD I OR create a mapping to another HP Laserjet such as HP LJ 4/5//8. Are the UPD's a better choice than using CMC to map to another HP driver? I figure Citrix may have done a little extra work to make the UPD's more stable than other hp LJ drivers, so maybe UPD's are all things being equal going to be better choice than mapping to even the trusty HP LJ4. The idea about using NUL: seems like a good one ... -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mack [mailto:Rick.Mack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:54 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [THIN] Xerox Phaser 4400 Hi Steve, You didn't state whether its Windows 2000 or 2003. But native drivers are generally a first choice, followed by aliases and UPDI/II. If it's Windows 2000, then replacing the 2000 UPDII with the 2003 drivers makes for significantly smaller print jobs. But if you're really serious then thinprint, simplify printing, EOL universal printer etc are much better. However you can improve 200 prinitng options a lot by using native 2003 drivers since 2000 and XP/2003 all use the same printer mechanism. You can port any 2003 native driver to 2000 without too much hassle. Traditionally the Phasers have had quite good drivers (I'm still in love with the Phaser 850 [then tektronix]). However with Xerox it depends on where the printer comes from. If it's from Japan, the drivers are third-party and sometimes dodgy, if from the US the drivers are generally okay. Always provided they really are version 3 (non-kernel mode) drivers of course. You can get a reasonable idea of the stability of a printer driver by creating a local port to NUL: and attaching the printer to that port. Let's you test "print" hundreds of pages/documents without killing a single tree. regards, Rick Ulrich Mack Volante Systems _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Steve Parr Sent: Wed 9/03/2005 11:19 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Xerox Phaser 4400 Has anyone successfully used the native drivers successfully with XP FR3? Am mapping HP drivers instead at moment but users want some advanced functionality that may only work if it seems if you use the native drivers - the usual trade off between functionality and stability. 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