Well, if you consider Intel's Graphics cards then you have a point. Joe _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas A. Brown Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 7:39 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista oh come on Steve. We can't expect an OS to use resources properly, can we? No way...... it is bad hardware........ we all know that... It can't be the OS's fault. Douglas A. Brown President and Chief Technology Officer Microsoft MVP, Windows Server Citrix Technology Professional DABCC, Inc. Phone: (954) 778-9558 Fax: (941) 827-9073 E-mail: <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> dbrown@xxxxxxxxx Web: <http://www.dabcc.com/> http://www.dabcc.com From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Greenberg Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 4:04 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista That would be awesome, but since we are making wishes here, how about an OS that does not expect and require a hard drive and spin so many cycles writing crap to it all the time?? Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85266 (602) 432-8649 www.thinclient.net steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas Brown Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 12:39 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista Oh yes it is .... XP SP3 is super fast but once you load Windows Search on XP then it slows down and I bet your Vista box was indexing like crazy too. But then you want to install Windows Search on XP if you are going to be using Outlook so you can index your outlook content. It is never ending. Lord knows I want to fork out the dollars for a solid state drive. Can you imagine ESX and all its VMs running from solid state drives? (forget the amazing, out of control, price) but someday it will be affordable and that day will be a very good day... On 6/1/08 3:27 PM, "Joe Shonk" <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From what I could tell (The resource monitors points to the system process) the VM was causing the HD's in my storage box to crank away. I'm guessing that Vista decided it would be nice to run a defrag, system scan or something of the sort after the install. It finally settled down after an hour or so. I will still say that Vista with SP1 is considerably slower than Win XP SP3. Joe _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas A. Brown Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:48 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista why is it so slow? what is holding it up? CPU? Memory? Disk?? Something else? and I think vista is NOT a client for VMs... needs WAY too much RAM. XP is much better but people want Vista.. oh my... DB Douglas A. Brown President and Chief Technology Officer Microsoft MVP, Windows Server Citrix Technology Professional DABCC, Inc. Phone: (954) 778-9558 Fax: (941) 827-9073 E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:10 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista I just got done installing Vista in VM (XenServer) and now I want go curl up in a corner and cry. It's painfully slow in a VM compared to Vista. It took 20+ minutes to bring up a network share (win 2003 server) so that I could launch the Provision Server Client Install. I should get Camtasia or ScreenRecorder and document this. Joe _____ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Douglas A. Brown Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 2:13 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista Yah, I agree with you Joe. I actually love Vista as I have a REALLY FAST PC so it can handle vista but it is far from what I would like. So, I have switched to the Mac in some ways. I have two Mac. A 17" laptop and a 14" laptop. I love them BUT, without VMware Fusion I find it to be useless for business. In fact, I don't use it at all for work but only use it as an iTunes box, for podcasts, for videos, movies, and all that stuff... Office 2008 is much better but I just hate having only one mouse button and I know I can plug a mouse in but not while I'm on my couch or in bed (I love to work in bed, is that too much info for you guys??? )... So, Thanks for VMware and Parallels my Mac is useful but I really need a solid state drive as I HATE the slowness of the VMs... I sit and wait and wait and wait and now matter how much you hate Vista I don't wait with Vista.. Only XP running in a VM on my Mac... So, I pray Microsoft gets 7 right. I think they know how we all feel and today it is just way tooooooooo early to tell what 7 will be like... But, I jus don't think the Mac is a solution.. Although, I know Steve G is a big Mac guy so I would love to hear his views on it and maybe he can explain how I can use my Mac for more than just fun.. ;) DB Douglas A. Brown President and Chief Technology Officer Microsoft MVP, Windows Server Citrix Technology Professional DABCC, Inc. Phone: (954) 778-9558 Fax: (941) 827-9073 E-mail: dbrown@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:dbrown@xxxxxxxxx> Web: http://www.dabcc.com <http://www.dabcc.com/> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 5:02 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 7 Ain't gonna be much different than Vista I guess it's time to switch to a Mac. Joe On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Jim Kenzig <jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: As I said a few weeks ago on the Windows 2000 list .. start learning Vista now... http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/operating_systems/eight_things_about_ windows_7.html?kc=MWRSS02129TX1K0000535