[THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing

  • From: "Selinger, Stephen" <SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:26:22 -0600

Good Morning,
Sorry to drag this post along but I need some more information.  If you are
using a Nfuse plus CSG solution for end user remote access how do you
enforce this licensing.  For example I have staff that have two or three
computers at home...how do I ensure that they only use one of those devices
to access Microsoft Office applications.  I do not have administrative
control on these devices. I was thinking of a script that looks for a
specific file on each licensed device but is there a better way?

Regards,

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: June 26, 2003 8:05 PM
To: 'TheThin. net'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing


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Lucas,

I don't mean to flame nor come off on the wrong side, but you really = need
to re-read the licensing model from Microsoft.  The ONLY Per User mode of
licensing is with Windows Server 2003 CALs.  That's it.  Everything else
(Office included) is on a Per Device/Machine basis.  Believe me when I = say
this, as I have been a few arguments of lately with my boss about this.

Chris=20


- - -----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf Of Lucas Boyken
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:13 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Importance: High

In a sense, Office XP is licensed from Microsoft on a per user basis.
However, with that being said, the program installs on a per device = basis.
When installing it on TS, you are right...you can access it from any =
station that has a TSCAL.  Metering software allows you to stay within the =
letter of the law.  Merely stated, you are only going to allow as many users
to = access those programs as you have licenses for. Microsoft doesn't like
Metering software, but it is a heck of a lot = better than installing one
copy of Office XP for 100 users.  It is far better = to have a software
metering package that logs, keeps track, and limits user usage.  If you call
and ask Microsoft, they will tell you Office is = licensed on a per user
basis (If it was per device, than by law you would only = need one copy for
your TS application regardless if the number of users = accessing it.  Also,
in my dealings with Microsoft's licensing dept., I have = noticed they have
a propensity to change their mind from time to time.  We just found out that
in TS applications, only the File Server needs file = sharing CALs.  Before
Microsoft insisted that every server accessed by users = must have the
appropriate file sharing CALs for the user pop.  That is ridiculous...thus
they have changed their tune).  Metering software = gives you the ability to
curtail the number of licenses you purchase.  Thus, instead of buying 100 XP
Office licenses, you could get by purchasing 35 = or so.  You will notice
that not every user has every application open all = day long.  Usually you
have several users using Excel, some using Word and = so on.  It is legal
and cost effective...and due to the logging and user restriction you are
covering yourself from any potential legal = quandaries.

Respectfully,


Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative lboyken@xxxxxxxxx Company =
Phone:
800.222.7601 Office Phone:  515.332.2751
Fax:  515.332.5687


- - -----Original Message-----
From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:06 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing


Lucas,
Thanks for the speedy reply.  Maybe it is just me but I can not = understand
why Micrsoft would license Office XP on a per device basis and then =
license Windows 2003 which delivers the office application in a per user
configuration.  It should either be one or the other.  It does not make
sense that a user can connect to a server desktop from multiple devices =
with a Windows 2003 per user TSCAL but can not use Microsoft Office unless =
they have purchased a license for every device that they will connect from =
even if that device is used for 5 minutes or every day of the year. =3D20

- - From what I understand it would be possible to access other non
Microsoft applications from multiple devices provided they have a per = user
TSCAL.  It is impossible to manage licensing in this manner as terminal
services and Citrix provide access to applications from any where and = any
device on the Internet.  It is pretty hard to say to a user that they = can
use certain non MS applications on any device but they can only use
Microsoft Office from certain devices that are licensed for office.  It
would be great to purchase a hundred Office XP per user licenses and = allow
the users to connect via terminal services to these applications from = any
device.  Am I just a dreamer or have other people on this list = struggling
with this issue as well.=3D20

I was also under the impression that certain agreements like Select 6 do =
not allow for the ability to meter software. I will research this but does
anyone know if this is true.  Don't take this the wrong way but I do not =
see how metering avoids the issue of requiring a Office XP license for every
device that uses Office via terminal services. Please feel free to = correct
me if I am mistaken.  What are other companies doing to provide remote
access via terminal services and/or Citrix from the Internet in regards = to
MS application licensing?

Regards,

Stephen



- - -----Original Message-----
From: Lucas Boyken [mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: June 26, 2003 11:32 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing


We had similar questions on a recent install of 2000 TS (before 2003 was =
=3D3D available).  In our discussions with Microsoft we were told that we
need = =3D3D a license available for each user that would be using that
product.  = =3D3D I.E. we needed to have licenses available for each =3D
instance of an = office =3D3D product running on our TS server.  Instead of
buying a license for = every =3D3D single employee at this company (this
wasn't feasable or cost = =3D3D effective), we elected to use Metering
software.  =3D You will often = hear me =3D3D tout Metrix Express Metering
software.  It works like a library, = you =3D3D check in and out licenses
for the specfic =3D program you want.  Your = user =3D3D population is
limited to the number of licenses avaible through the = =3D3D metering
software. If you have 20 licenses, all =3D in use, the 21 user = is =3D3D
asked to wait for the next available license to =3D be free.  You can = also
=3D3D set this software up for certain individuals to have priority or VIP =
=3D3D status, thus giving them a license from someone else.  Also, the =3D3D
reporting in this software is great. At the end of the day, Microsoft =
=3D3D wants you to buy more than you need to by law. Metering software,
=3D3D regardless if it is Metrix or not, will help = you use the law to your
=3D3D advantage.  I suggest you look into it.

Respectfully,


Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative lboyken@xxxxxxxxx Company =
Phone:
800.222.7601 Office Phone:  515.332.2751
Fax:  515.332.5687


- - -----Original Message-----
From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:09 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing


Good Morning,
I understand that Windows 2003 has per user TS CAL licensing which seems =
=3D3D like a great thing if you have users who will access your terminal =3D
= =3D3D servers from more then one device.  Now what happens if the users
want = =3D =3D3D to use Microsoft Office from multiple devices.  Is
Microsoft Office XP = =3D =3D3D in a Windows 2003 per user terminal services
environment still licensed = =3D3D on a per device basis or can it be
licensed on a per use basis =3D = similar =3D3D to TS CALS.  For example I
have a worker who works from home but =3D3D occasionally needs to use
Microsoft Office when he is at an Internet = =3D3D caf=3D3DE9.  Do I have to
purchase a office license for each device at = the =3D =3D3D Internet
caf=3D3DE9. Maybe I am missing something but why would = Microsoft =3D =3D3D
license TS CALS on a per user basis but only license office on = a per =3D3D
device basis. I apologize if this was a dumb question.=3D3D20

Stephen

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