Good Morning, Sorry to drag this post along but I need some more information. If you are using a Nfuse plus CSG solution for end user remote access how do you enforce this licensing. For example I have staff that have two or three computers at home...how do I ensure that they only use one of those devices to access Microsoft Office applications. I do not have administrative control on these devices. I was thinking of a script that looks for a specific file on each licensed device but is there a better way? Regards, Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx] Sent: June 26, 2003 8:05 PM To: 'TheThin. net' Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lucas, I don't mean to flame nor come off on the wrong side, but you really = need to re-read the licensing model from Microsoft. The ONLY Per User mode of licensing is with Windows Server 2003 CALs. That's it. Everything else (Office included) is on a Per Device/Machine basis. Believe me when I = say this, as I have been a few arguments of lately with my boss about this. Chris=20 - - -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On = Behalf Of Lucas Boyken Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:13 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Importance: High In a sense, Office XP is licensed from Microsoft on a per user basis. However, with that being said, the program installs on a per device = basis. When installing it on TS, you are right...you can access it from any = station that has a TSCAL. Metering software allows you to stay within the = letter of the law. Merely stated, you are only going to allow as many users to = access those programs as you have licenses for. Microsoft doesn't like Metering software, but it is a heck of a lot = better than installing one copy of Office XP for 100 users. It is far better = to have a software metering package that logs, keeps track, and limits user usage. If you call and ask Microsoft, they will tell you Office is = licensed on a per user basis (If it was per device, than by law you would only = need one copy for your TS application regardless if the number of users = accessing it. Also, in my dealings with Microsoft's licensing dept., I have = noticed they have a propensity to change their mind from time to time. We just found out that in TS applications, only the File Server needs file = sharing CALs. Before Microsoft insisted that every server accessed by users = must have the appropriate file sharing CALs for the user pop. That is ridiculous...thus they have changed their tune). Metering software = gives you the ability to curtail the number of licenses you purchase. Thus, instead of buying 100 XP Office licenses, you could get by purchasing 35 = or so. You will notice that not every user has every application open all = day long. Usually you have several users using Excel, some using Word and = so on. It is legal and cost effective...and due to the logging and user restriction you are covering yourself from any potential legal = quandaries. Respectfully, Lucas W. Boyken Computer Systems Associates Account Manager / Technical Representative lboyken@xxxxxxxxx Company = Phone: 800.222.7601 Office Phone: 515.332.2751 Fax: 515.332.5687 - - -----Original Message----- From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:06 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing Lucas, Thanks for the speedy reply. Maybe it is just me but I can not = understand why Micrsoft would license Office XP on a per device basis and then = license Windows 2003 which delivers the office application in a per user configuration. It should either be one or the other. It does not make sense that a user can connect to a server desktop from multiple devices = with a Windows 2003 per user TSCAL but can not use Microsoft Office unless = they have purchased a license for every device that they will connect from = even if that device is used for 5 minutes or every day of the year. =3D20 - - From what I understand it would be possible to access other non Microsoft applications from multiple devices provided they have a per = user TSCAL. It is impossible to manage licensing in this manner as terminal services and Citrix provide access to applications from any where and = any device on the Internet. It is pretty hard to say to a user that they = can use certain non MS applications on any device but they can only use Microsoft Office from certain devices that are licensed for office. It would be great to purchase a hundred Office XP per user licenses and = allow the users to connect via terminal services to these applications from = any device. Am I just a dreamer or have other people on this list = struggling with this issue as well.=3D20 I was also under the impression that certain agreements like Select 6 do = not allow for the ability to meter software. I will research this but does anyone know if this is true. Don't take this the wrong way but I do not = see how metering avoids the issue of requiring a Office XP license for every device that uses Office via terminal services. Please feel free to = correct me if I am mistaken. What are other companies doing to provide remote access via terminal services and/or Citrix from the Internet in regards = to MS application licensing? Regards, Stephen - - -----Original Message----- From: Lucas Boyken [mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: June 26, 2003 11:32 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing We had similar questions on a recent install of 2000 TS (before 2003 was = =3D3D available). In our discussions with Microsoft we were told that we need = =3D3D a license available for each user that would be using that product. = =3D3D I.E. we needed to have licenses available for each =3D instance of an = office =3D3D product running on our TS server. Instead of buying a license for = every =3D3D single employee at this company (this wasn't feasable or cost = =3D3D effective), we elected to use Metering software. =3D You will often = hear me =3D3D tout Metrix Express Metering software. It works like a library, = you =3D3D check in and out licenses for the specfic =3D program you want. Your = user =3D3D population is limited to the number of licenses avaible through the = =3D3D metering software. If you have 20 licenses, all =3D in use, the 21 user = is =3D3D asked to wait for the next available license to =3D be free. You can = also =3D3D set this software up for certain individuals to have priority or VIP = =3D3D status, thus giving them a license from someone else. Also, the =3D3D reporting in this software is great. At the end of the day, Microsoft = =3D3D wants you to buy more than you need to by law. Metering software, =3D3D regardless if it is Metrix or not, will help = you use the law to your =3D3D advantage. I suggest you look into it. Respectfully, Lucas W. Boyken Computer Systems Associates Account Manager / Technical Representative lboyken@xxxxxxxxx Company = Phone: 800.222.7601 Office Phone: 515.332.2751 Fax: 515.332.5687 - - -----Original Message----- From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20 Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:09 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing Good Morning, I understand that Windows 2003 has per user TS CAL licensing which seems = =3D3D like a great thing if you have users who will access your terminal =3D = =3D3D servers from more then one device. Now what happens if the users want = =3D =3D3D to use Microsoft Office from multiple devices. Is Microsoft Office XP = =3D =3D3D in a Windows 2003 per user terminal services environment still licensed = =3D3D on a per device basis or can it be licensed on a per use basis =3D = similar =3D3D to TS CALS. For example I have a worker who works from home but =3D3D occasionally needs to use Microsoft Office when he is at an Internet = =3D3D caf=3D3DE9. Do I have to purchase a office license for each device at = the =3D =3D3D Internet caf=3D3DE9. Maybe I am missing something but why would = Microsoft =3D =3D3D license TS CALS on a per user basis but only license office on = a per =3D3D device basis. I apologize if this was a dumb question.=3D3D20 Stephen ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor - RTOSoft TScale=3D3D20 Complaints about applications response time - DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! =3D3D TScale 2.0 improves = applications response time and increases terminal =3D =3D3D server capacity. Really = get MORE from your existing servers! 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