Hi Rosemary, The bitmap caching I mentioned in my last e-mail is a feature of Citrix ICA Client though I did notice a Bitmap cache checkbox on the Experience Tab of the RDP client I run on my XP desktop for remote admin of our other servers - I have not tried this across a 56k link though. Reading through your first e-mail again - you seem to be talking about dial-up modem links?? I believe without citrix you have to dial-up to some form of RAS server, authenticate to your LAN and then launch the RDP client. The only time I tested anything like this (about five years ago) we tried RASing onto our LAN and then running an ICA client (we already had a RAS server set-up) and found performance significantly slower than using ICA dial-up straight into a Citrix server - though web browsing was still painful on the ICA Dial-up. The intelligent cache product I mentioned was built into the routers at either end of a slow link so it may be irrelevant to your configuration (I will see if I can find any further info on this for you). If you are using dialup to a RAS server you possibly are not getting a 56k connection anyway (I usually get around 36-42k on an ICA dialup from home) - which only makes the problem worse. What other options are available for your remote connections? We achieved an overall cost saving AND much better performance by moving some of our remote users to running VPN via an ADSL Internet connection to get onto our terminal servers. While we do have Metaframe on our servers this was not a factor in the solution we implemented - we could have used exactly the same set-up with straight TS. -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Sarkis [mailto:rosemary_sarkis@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2004 8:09 p.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Windows 2003 Terminal Server performance tips for IE? Hi There are no roaming profiles - all profiles reside on the 1 Terminal Server in question (we do not have Citrix installed). I don't have Flash or any animation software installed on the Terminal Server (Windows 2003 Server). Animation can occur via std html (can it not?) - is there a way to stop all animation on a Terminal Server?? Our users go to various web sites - some may have animated graphics others don't. Ive browsed normal sites and they appear very sluggish - these sites don't do anything too fancy like flash etc.. I had a look at off-screen composition - this is enabled by default in Windows 2003 / IE6 (found the registry key but it was already set). When u refer to the cache size, are you assuming Im using Citrix?? Im using the latest Terminal Services client and there are no caching options. I tried running at 256 colours - very little increase in performance found so set it back to default which is 16 bit Has anyone heard of this intelligent cache product?? Thanks for all your assistence Rose The profile does not travel over the 56k link is not a factor - I do agree that a 50mb ROAMING profile is far too big - but I'm not sure if Rosemary is talking about roaming profiles anyway .... The real problem, I believe is the perceived performance of IE run on a terminal server by a client on a 56k link. From personal experience that can be painful! Not too much that can be done as it is mainly an issue of the screen re-draw on the client. Largely this is dependent on the specifics of the particular websites the client is visiting - lots of nice graphics (particularly animations) = very poor performance for the client. Forcing off-screen composition in IE will help a little. If your clients are visiting the same websites regularly setting a reasonable size bitmap cache on the client could help (again it all comes down to what the website is doing) and would be worth testing within your environment (start with a 5-10mb cache and test it to see how it goes. Reducing the colour depth and resolution might help as well (anything to reduce the amount of data that must travel over the 56k link. What type of link is this anyway? Is there any money available to "fix" this? I seem to recall a recent thread on one of the mail lists I'm on (may have even been this one) about some new devices that dramatically improved data transfer over slow links. Can't recall the specifics but it involved a form of "intelligent cache" that minimised the amount of data that had to travel across the wire. Someone may recall more details? Good luck ... -Ec -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, 6 August 2004 12:58 a.m. To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 Terminal Server performance tips for IE? A 50mb profile on a 56K link, sounds like a bad move to me. Is there a reason why you need to store so many temporary Internet files? Hope this helps. Jeff Jesus Loves You -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rosemary Sarkis Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:23 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Windows 2003 Terminal Server performance tips for IE? Hi Speed is OK on LAN via WTS. Extremely slow on 56k modem (I know its a ridiculously slow link) but I was expecting the speed to be much better. Also slow on 256k link. The IE cache goes to the default location - profile I believe. I have reduced the temporary internet files to 50Mb via GPO - no other changes were made. There are no files in the cache. Its just sluggish and slow in IE via WTS - IE is much faster if running via the local workstation browser I just wanted to see if there were any tweaks that would increase the speed and make the experience more responsive. Im trying to migrate a small office off local apps to a Windows Terminal Server. Users won't be happy running on a browser which is 2-3 times slower than their current setup.. Rose What bandwidth are you using? Are you on a Lan or remote? If you're remote then it don't surprise me that a 2MB graphic takes a while - Terminal Services is not a great solution for graphics-type tasks. With IE6, you might check where you've directed the Cache - if you've just pointed Local Settings to a netwrok share, that might cause problems. Again, though, if you're downloading big graphics it will be slow. I have had one user complain about internet access speeds. While investigating I looked in his cache and discovered some very large graphics files of not entirely clothed females. I merely mentioned that "Large graphics files may not work as well over TS as on a local machine".:) -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Sarkis [mailto:rosemary_sarkis@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 04 August 2004 11:52 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Windows 2003 Terminal Server performance tips for IE? Hi I have a 2003 WTS I need to fine tune. Server runs std office apps - Office 2000, Project 2000, Visio 2000, Access 2000 etc. All these apps seem to run at respectable speeds. I have disabled all animation, removed actors etc and also looked at some of the documentation on Brian Maddens site and implemented accordingly. My issue is mainly with IE6 performance. It runs really slow via Terminal Server (runs fine on the LAN outside of TS). Also have speed issues when viewing JPG files. Takes quite a while to load a 2Mb Jpg in Photo Editor or the Picture Viewer. I am the only person using the server at this stage and the server is specced as follows: CPU 3Ghz x 2 RAM 2Gb Raid 1 disk config The images load but very slowly - u can see the bar slowly scroll across the screen (I was expecting much better performance). Im running the latest MSTC client. IS there anything obvious I can do to improve IE and JPG loading performance? Any GPO I can set? Thanks Rose _________________________________________________________________ Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here: http://ninemsn.match.com?referrer=hotmailtagline ******************************************************** This Weeks Sponsor RTO Software Do you know which applications are abusing your CPU and memory? Would you like to learn? -- Free for a limited time! 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