Chris Citrix in their doco suggest 20k per user. This in my experience is budget brand sessions (ie no client mapping, printing or animated pictures). The more printing and local drive transfers up the rate proportionately. If you have QoS enabled and your clients can wait for their printouts then you will be able to utilise a smaller links. We have had users using a delivered bandwidth of 12k but they wonder why when someone sends a 2M printout to their printers their screens freeze :) With management we have been suggesting a rate of 40k delivered/user for the calculations (this gives us a opportunity to justify a packeteer or the sorts). I my experience the consistency of the link is the killer. I the link is consistently slow users do not complain, but if it is up and down I have the DG breathing down our collective necks. If your management will not cough up for some sort of QoS - THROW bandwidth at the users. They will always find a way to use it...<grin>. It is a little tough to calculate with all the variables (client mapping etc) but with a little testing you will get a better picture. BTW do not test a small link with one or two users (ie a 128K link) as it will skew the results. This is due to the quantity of the data that can be sent in large chunks over a bigger pipe, ie a large screen change will be a large blob of data which needs to get to the client in a short time frame or the user will see the rendering of the page. One alternative to the forklift approach is to have applications on both sides of the WAN. You can then slowly migrate and publish the apps on the DataCentre's side of the WAN. HTH Mk Mark Calleja Coordinator Network Systems Network Systems Dept Housing and Works (08) 9222 4941 mark.calleja@xxxxxxxxxxxxx "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't" >>> grecsek@xxxxxxxxxxx 30/06/2004 23:24:19 >>> We have a remote site with about 60 people. We're looking to centralize all the servers in our main data center and have no servers on-site. Currently the site has a T-1 connection and we're wondering whether that will be enough bandwidth to have all 60 of those folks connect over the WAN into our farm. The site is running a pretty simple/generic application set - MS Office, accounting package IE. Also looking for a cost effective "fail-over" of the WAN connection should the main T-1 gown down for any reason. Any suggestions/input would be much appreciated. Thanks, Chris ******************************************************** This weeks sponsor Emergent Online Thinssentials Utilities Using the latest software, hardware, networking technologies, proven technical expertise, proprietary software and best practices, EOL provides custom-tailored solutions for each client?s mission and specific goals. http://www.go-eol.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thin.net/links.cfm *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thin.net/citrixlist.cfm