[THIN] Re: VMware vs VS2005
- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:25:51 -0700
While I think MS is doing a great job on virtual server I think it is highly
unlikely that they will match VMWare technology in the foreseeable future. I
think it is analagous to Metaframe versus Terminal Server, TS is good, but
Metaframe is a lot better!
Steve Greenberg
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Damian Hupfeld
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:14 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: VMware vs VS2005
However the MS version only Supports MS OS's and is likley to do so... ESX will
run Linux or Unix as well.
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jim Kenzig http://thethin.net
Sent: Tuesday, 9 November 2004 12:53 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: VMware vs VS2005
Good thing...I was ready to ream you all before I read this. MVS absolutely can
emulate the hardware...it even can dole out a virtual MAC address for the nic
and you have your own machine bios! I can't imagine that many people have
looked at this product since it is so new. How long do you think before
microsoft has an enterprise version capable of comparison to ESX? I'm guessing
by the end of next year...which is where and when you will see your price
dramatically increase. VMWare has been in the game for a while but MS WILL
catch up and do it better because they know the ins and outs of the OS and what
ports and channels need to be tweaked.
JK
lynch00@xxxxxxx wrote:
Actually, I'm going to correct myself, before I look like a complete fool.
The BETA and RC versions did this. The RTM actually does virtualize the
hardware like VMware.
Per the VS 2005 Technical White Paper:
"Virtual Server 2005 emulates a multi-port Adaptec 7870 SCSI controller with 4
virtual SCSI buses. With virtual SCSI storage enabled, each virtual machine can
connect to more than 56.5 terabytes. Virtual Server 2005 supports 2-node
failover clustering between virtual machines by means of shared SCSI storage."
"Virtual Server 2005 emulates the S3 Trio64 graphics adapter with 4 megabytes
(MB) of VRAM for VESA 2.0compliant VGA and SVGA resolutions, 2-D acceleration,
hardware cursor, and Microsoft DirectX. support."
"Virtual Server 2005 emulates a multi-port Intel 21141 10/100TX Ethernet
controller with 4 virtual network adapters.
᠐ 7; A local virtual network connection does not need to be associated with a
device.
Virtual machines can also be configured to have no virtual network
connection."
"Virtual Server 2005 emulates an Intel 440BX chip set with PIIX4 and the
following components:
CMOS
Real-time clock
RAM and VRAM
Memory Controller
DMA Controller
PCI Bus
ISA Bus
SM Bus
Power Management
8259 PIC
PIT
"
Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of lynch00@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:24 PM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: VMware vs VS2005
>
> "VS 2005 is NOT hardware independant."
>
> This is true. I completely forgot that Microsoft VS does not
> really virtualize the hardw are as VMware does. It simply
> exposes the hardware to the VM, and you would use the driver
> supplied by the HW vendor.
>
> I have been asked numerous times to compare VS2005 to ESX.
> You just cannot. Yes, compare VS2005 to GSX.
>
> Chris
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders
> > Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 2:57 PM
> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [THIN] Re: VMware vs VS2005
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam,
> >
> > You cannot compare VMWare ESX to VS 2005. ESX is an enterprise
> > solution.
> > The host for virtual servers under ESX is a highly tuned
> Linux kernel.
> >
> > You can only compare VMWare GSX to VS 2005.
> >
> > One of the biggest bennefit of VMWare virtual servers is
> that they are
> > hardware independant. In other words, you can copy a vistual server
> > image from between a laptop, desktop, server class
> hardware, etc, and
> > it will run regardless (as long as you have enough
> resources for it).
> > VS 2005 is NOT hardware independant.
> >
> > But of course because of MSDN, or the Select licensing
> agreement, many
> > integrators will get so many VS 2005 licenses for free.
> >
> > Make sure you compare apples with apples.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeremy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam.Baum@cityofm
> >
> > esa.org
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> > Sent by:
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> > thin-bounce@freel thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > ists.org
> > cc
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> >
> > Subject
> > 09/11/2004 05:50 [THIN] VMware vs
> > VS2005
> > AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please respond to
> >
> > thin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Attn VMware afficionados,
> >
> > What hardware does VM ESX present to a Windows OS? I see that the
> > motherboard is an Intel 440BX. What NIC does it show up as? What
> > about SCSI? Microsoft shows up an an Intel NIC and Adaptec
> SCSI. My
> > goal is to build a matrix comparing the two in how the hardware is
> > represented to the guest OS.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > adam
> >
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