BTW: MSDE is SQL Server 2000 based, and is starting to be replaced by SQL Server Express (which is based off of SQL Server 2005 and is free to install). I am using Express in any new work - it is completely compatible with SQL 2000 servers. Additionally, it does not have that annoying problem of having to be on the console to install. I don't know if these other tools will work on it, but probably. tim -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kinchen, Tyler Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 10:37 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Upgrade Farm XP FR3 to MPS 4.0 Thanks for the tip on MSDE Admin Rick. The url has changed though. http://www.msde.biz/msdeadmin/msdeadmin.htm Cool utility. Regards, Tyler Kinchen ________________________________________ From: Rick Mack [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rick Mack Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:19 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [THIN] Re: Upgrade Farm XP FR3 to MPS 4.0 Hi, Sorry, should have explained. An Access data store is still available for Presentation Servers, I just wouldn't use it. As you're probably aware, MSDE is now bundled with Presentation Server. With the availabilty of free and cheap MSDE admin tools I can't see any reason for not using MSDE instead of the MSAccess data store. That's of course if a production SQL server isn't available. As an example of utilities, check out http://www.msdeadmin.biz for MSDEAdmin. It lets you do almost everything you can with the full blown SQL admin. Otherwise there's a freeware MSDE management tool that requires MSAccess, MSDECFG.mdb. Using MSDE (or SQL) instead of Access let's me easily clone servers and dupilcate data stores for upgrades or testing. Why would I want to stick with an Access data store? ;-) regards, Rick Ulrich Mack Volante Systems ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************ ************************************************ For Archives, RSS, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: //www.freelists.org/list/thin ************************************************