[THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS

  • From: "Tim Bishop" <Tim.Bishop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 13:17:40 +1000

In my experience, when machines or licences for win2k/XP have been bought a=
nd a previous version of a MS OS is used for SOE compliance or any other re=
ason, MS will issue TS licenses from the clearinghouse for these licenses. =
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Your mileage may vary though.

Tim

 -----Original Message-----
From:   Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent:   Saturday, 5 October 2002 3:18 AM
To:     'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject:        [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS

My experience with Microsoft and TS Licensing is if you ask 3 different
Microsoft Employees you will get 3 different answers.  Microsoft has been
known to bend the rules for some customers.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:11 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS



Obviously there are two opposing viewpoints here.  The fact is that MS has
given me at least a different answer than what you're saying Joe.  Right or
wrong, it came from them.

-Paul

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> From:         Joe Shonk[SMTP:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Reply To:     thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent:         Friday, October 04, 2002 1:10 PM
> To:   'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject:      [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> Correct, for a W2k or XP Pro workstation... But not a W95 machine.
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> Joe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frey, James [mailto:jfrey@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 10:07 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> But they are free to use.  The server issues a free license.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Shonk [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:27 PM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> See: =3D
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/server/howtobuy/pricing/tsfaq.asp
> Win2k and XP do not have built in TS Cals.
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> Joe
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:07 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> Put aside "rights" and look at it this way:
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> Win2K Pro machines have a built in TS CAL
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> Win95 does not.
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> Win95 connects to your TS server, it wants a CAL.
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> Since you purchased Win2K Pro licenses, which have a built in CAL, are =3D
> you
> entitled to MS giving you CAL licenses to use Win95 machines?  I'd say =3D
> call
> MS Licensing and ask.  They will be the only people who can tell you the
> answer and provide the license.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee, David (CITY TREASURY) [mailto:David.Lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:05 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> Ouch!  So although we have effectively purchased a TS CAL for each PC as
> part of the Win2k Pro license, because we have exercised the downgrade =3D
> right
> to install Windows 95, we can't use it? =3D20
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blackman, John [mailto:John.Blackman@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 04 October 2002 15:44
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> Yeah I agree, the way I understood it you have to be explicitly running =
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> W2K
> Pro in order to use the "built in" TS CAL license.
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> John
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jensen, Jay [mailto:jjensen@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
> Sent: 04 October 2002 15:38
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Terminal Services CALS
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> You don't.  If you are connecting with a Windows 95 workstation to a =3D
> Win2K
> Server running Citrix / Terminal servers you will need a TS CAL and =3D
> Win2k
> license for each connection.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee, David (CITY TREASURY) [mailto:David.Lee@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:20 AM
> To: Thin client listserve (E-mail)
> Subject: [THIN] Terminal Services CALS
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> Apologies for another licensing question!  We are about to start an
> expansion of our XPe server farm, and I'm having some fun sorting out MS
> Terminal Services CALS for the client machines......=3D20
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> We have about 200 fairly recent spec Dell PCs, which were supplied with
> Windows 2000 Professional licences, but for various reasons, currently =3D
> have
> to run a downgrade installation of Windows 95 (yeuk!).  Now, the Win2K
> licence for each PC includes a TS CAL, but as the PCs run Win95, how do =
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> I
> convince the licensing server that all is legit? =3D20
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> Cheers
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> David Lee
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