[THIN] RE: [THIN] Re: Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco

  • From: Evan Mann <emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:07:29 -0400

I put a pair of CAGs (setup for failover) straight into production and
haven't had any issues with them.  However, I am doing basic WI stuff
only, with authentication against AD and checking of group membership.
I've also done testing with the SSL VPN and it worked nicely.  


From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:09 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco

We have been running production on a "demo" unit, and are just now
implementing dual live CAG's....LOVE IT!



From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:41 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco


It's funny how these things go, we have production systems running
perfectly without these issues!


Steve Greenberg

Thin Client Computing

34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453

Scottsdale, AZ 85262

(602) 432-8649





From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of James Hill
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 9:28 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco


They may have implemented them but that doesn't mean they are happy with
them.  I most certainly am not.


http://www.brianmadden.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=50628&mpage=1  should give
you an idea of why!


WI and CSG were far more stable






-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 9:18 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco


And yet many enterprises are starting to employ the CAG's.  So I would
say they are enterprise stable enough.

On 9/4/06, James Hill <HillJ@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

Well I'd say that Cisco shouldn't be too concerned just yet.  CAG is
still not "enterprise" stable imo. 


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Schneider, Chad M 
Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:42 AM
To: ' thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> '

Subject: [THIN] Re: Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco


From the Netscaler/CAG area...I would say so....



From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Jim Kenzig
http://ThinHelp.com <http://thinhelp.com/> 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 9:20 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Article: Microsoft declares war on Cisco


Hmm..now Citrix is a competitor with Cisco??

Microsoft declares war on Cisco 

Conflict to centre on the 'critical battleground' of the branch office

Robert Jaques, vnunet.com <http://www.vnunet.com/>  30 Aug 2006

Microsoft <http://www.microsoft.com/> 's recent alliance
<http://www.vnunet.com/2162844>  with Citrix Systems
<http://www.citrix.com/>  to develop wide area network (Wan)
optimisation technology represents a declaration of war on Cisco in the
"critical battleground" of the branch office, Gartner
<http://www.gartner.com/>  has reported.

According to the analyst firm, the Redmond giant's tie-up with thin
client firm Citrix is the culmination of a "long-simmering rivalry" with
Cisco, and has the potential to transform the Wan optimisation market. 

The comments come after Microsoft and Citrix announced an expansion of
their established partnership that will result in a jointly developed
and marketed Citrix-branded branch office box. 

Gartner said that this product is scheduled to ship in the second
quarter of next year and will be based on Citrix's WANScaler
product line gained through its recent acquisition of Orbital Data
<http://www.orbitaldata.com/> , and on Microsoft's Windows Server
<http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx>  and Internet
Security and Acceleration Server
<http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/default.mspx> .

"Microsoft clearly considers Cisco a significant threat to its dominance
in the enterprise software market, and views the branch office as a
critical battleground for application and network architectures," stated
a Gartner advisory. 

"Cisco and Microsoft have avoided direct competition until recently, but
the merging of networking, security, storage and applications made this
confrontation inevitable. 

"Microsoft is launching new networking capabilities within Vista and the
'Longhorn' version of Windows Server, and is pursuing partners in the
voice arena, for example Nortel <http://www.nortel.com/> ." 

The analyst firm also believes that there will now be much more conflict
between Cisco and Microsoft, a battle it originally predicted in 1997. 

"Microsoft is building a team of networking vendors to compete with
Cisco. Citrix brings credibility in branch office application delivery
through its Presentation Server and NetScaler products," the Gartner
report stated. 

"By adding Orbital Data, Citrix now has an end-to-end application
delivery family that is broader than Cisco's. 

"With a rapidly expanding portfolio, good strategic partnering and
software-centric channels, Citrix is a serious competitor and potential
roadblock to Cisco's aspirations to control application delivery. 

"The future WANScaler appliance promises to provide Wan optimisation,
content distribution, security and branch office services. 

"When combined with Microsoft's marketing might and strategic customer
relationships, this product is likely to quickly appear on prospective
customers' shortlists once it is released." 

Gartner believes that Microsoft's tie-up with Citrix will change the
selling dynamic for Wan optimisation controllers, branch office boxes
and, to a lesser degree, application delivery controllers. 

"Because Cisco will not be the default choice, we believe its influence
is likely to weaken. In addition, sales cycles will are likely to
lengthen, and smaller vendors will find selling tougher," Gartner

However, the analyst firm went on to predict that the Microsoft/Citrix
partnership will face "some challenges" as the published product
delivery date is "very aggressive". 

Given these concerns it advises firms to continue their existing
business-critical Wan optimisation implementations because its estimates
that the Microsoft/Citrix product is 18 months away. 


Jim Kenzig <mailto:web%20at%20kenzig.com>  

Microsoft MVP - Terminal Services

Provision Networks VIP
CEO The Kenzig Group
http://www.kenzig.com <http://www.kenzig.com/> 
Blog: http://www.techblink.com <http://www.techblink.com/> 

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