[THIN] Re: Starting it all over
- From: Rob Slayden <rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:01:18 -0800
Chris,
Where did you get that pricing for Tigis? When I talked with Peter Pham
about a year ago, the prices were as follows
2GB = $3,500
4GB = $5,000
6GB = $7,500
Note that $5K is still high for EACH Citrix server, particularly in a larger
environment. I concur with your assessment though that they are much more
feasible for email or DB servers than TS servers, unless the pricing is
drastically reduced.
rob
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From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:29 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Starting it all over
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Well, I have ran a few tests (not truly documented) that booting off the SAN
and booting off of local storage can mean adding an additional 15-20 users
per machine. The pagefile was on the local storage (internal U160 drives in
RAID0).
Now, SAN access speeds are much faster than that of local storage.
Well, the U320 drives are very fast, and with RAID controllers onboard CACHE
increasing in sizes (256MB to 1GB so far), they are competing with RAID
Groups on a SAN.
Solid state drives are WAY to much in cost to justify that type of
expenditure, IMHO. We tested the TIGI drives here, and found that the
concept worked. But, for $5,000 per GB of Solid State, that didn't make
much sense. Well, for a TS server anyways. A high end DB server, or
Exchange/groupware, yes.
Chris
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:26 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Starting it all over
>
> Guys,
>
> I have a question (which I admit is rooted in my not knowing much
> about SAN's). If you boot a server off of a SAN, where does that
> server's page file reside? If it is on the SAN, then what is the
> access speed of SAN storage relative to leading edge IDE and SCSI
> access? The reason for the question was that I had a talk recently
> with an architect of Microsoft's internal TS farm, and he was very
> against booting servers off of the SAN, since SAN speeds were far
> below those of local hard disks in the server (he was actually looking
> a using solid state hard drives for the page files).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bernd Harzog
> CEO
> Applications Performance Management Experts www.apmexperts.com
> bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ron Oglesby
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:42 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Re: Starting it all over
>
> Greg you can hit me offline, but in addition to some of that I would
> look at throwing some Vmware in there from the start.
>
> Ron Oglesby
> Senior Technical Architect
> Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
>
> RapidApp, Chicago
> Office 312.372.7188
> Mobile 815.325.7618
> email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Reese [mailto:gareese@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:54 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [THIN] Starting it all over
>
> If you had to throw out your entire server setup and start over, would
> you do differently a second time around.
>
> We have undergone recent changes here and I pretty much get to do that
> after the first of the year. Exchange, SQL, Firewall, Citrix, Windows
> servers, the whole entire datacenter - gone. It all has to be redone
> from scratch and it has to be done with an eye on future growth.
>
> I was thinking of moving it all to blades that boot from a SAN. It's
> all standalone servers now.
>
> I'm just curious what the rest of you have run into that you wish you
> could do differently if given the chance.
>
> Greg
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