[THIN] Re: Softricity vs Tarpon
- From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:07:22 -0700
There are no plans for Tarpon to isolate the process space the way that
System Guard does in SoftGrid.
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 4:48 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Softricity vs Tarpon
I'm curious, what do you mean by delivering the app components in a seamless
way? While the way of isolation is different in how they are designed,
Tarpon is still run in an isolated environment from the rest of the OS.
Jeff Pitsch
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On 7/19/06, Steve Greenberg <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
One thing I have to disagree with you on is CAG. I happen to think that it
is #1 because it is a solid product, easy to install and maintain, secure
and robust. Sure it helps to have Citrix behind it, but that didn't make
NFuse Elite a winner ! :-)
Tarpon and SoftGrid are somewhat different by nature. Tarpon is really about
delivering the app components in a seamless way whereas SoftGrid is about
streaming the app in minimal chunks and running in a protected runtime
environment. Analogous to TS versus PS, Tarpon will be enough for a
percentage of users to ease the install process whereas some percentage of
users and applications will require the runtime isolation provided by
Softricity.
Softricity has a great product, their issue is bad business ethics and
practices- perhaps this will get better with Microsoft- pretty sad when you
look forward to a company having better ethics AFTER being bought by MS!!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
www.thinclient.net <http://www.thinclient.net/>
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On
Behalf Of Douglas A. Brown
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:07 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: Softricity vs Tarpon
I don't think anyone should give up on anything. I think Softricity is a
better technology and that fact is something I don't think anyone can argue.
BUT that does not always mean it is what a customer wants or needs. I
think Tarpon will have a place and some Citrix customers will buy it. You
bet. I think the most important thing is that Citrix gets into this market.
Then Microsoft might let them license the SoftGrid SystemGuard and then
Citrix can make tarpon a application deployment management tool ad-on to
SoftGrid, the way MetaFrame was/is to terminal services. If that happens
then Citrix has the ability to sell a lot. Think of having the Citrix
"access" tools manage all your application needs. Pretty cool eh? Or very
expensive, we will see.
So, as much of a fan of Softricity as I am, I still see a future for Tarpon.
Not to mention a slew of Citrix partners will try to sell it no matter what.
They are blind to a solution. They sale what they are told to sell. Just
look at the Access Gateway. It is a nice piece of hardware but not as good
as some of the competition. Right? BUT, it is #1. That is because of
the Citrix customer base and the Citrix channel.
The other thing to note is that Microsoft is cutting the price of Softricity
and also throwing in Zero Touch and the SMS Connector for free. This is
actually huge! I don't know what it will cost but if it is cheap enough
then why go with anything else? The old Citrix argument on why you want
them is. One vendor? NO, you already have Microsoft.. ;) Because Citrix
is bigger? Not than Microsoft! :-)
All in all, no way for Citrix to get out now.. And It will be fun to watch
this play out..
Oh, the big looser = Altiris........ not Citrix..
Oh, oh, Tarpon needs to work. it can't be half a$$... It needs to work as
described. No more, it does this but really, you need to wait for the patch
for that t work BS.
IMHO
Douglas A. Brown
President and Chief Technology Officer
Microsoft MVP, Windows Server
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ] On
Behalf Of Joe Shonk
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:59 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Softricity vs Tarpon
Given that line of thought, Citrix should give up on Presentation Server
given Terminal Server is built into the kernel.
On 7/19/06, Chris Grecsek < cgrecsek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Seems to me that Citrix should pretty much give up on their virtualization
technology given that M$ just bought Softricity and all signs point to M$
adding it to their core OS stack.any thoughts?
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