We use Wininstall LE (we can't afford wise) to get our apps into packages. It worked for almost all of our apps. I know I've read to NOT package the MS patches, at least with that product. For MS patching, you might want to look at WSUS instead of pushing them through AD and it's free. Good luck R -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Doug Rooney Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:53 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Slightly off topic Hello, I am running a setup with 2 MS Terminal Servers and a few application servers and about 20 thin clients and about 30 fat clients. I was wanting to get system updates in MSI format so I could use AD to push them, so these would be standard windows and Other updates, I currently get Mozilla Firefox in MSI but would like to get all that way so I could do updates without having to Interrupt the users. Anyone have any info? Thank You -Doug Rooney Sonoma TileMakers IT Systems Administrator 7750 Bell Rd. Windsor Ca, 95492 (707) 837-8177 X11 (707) 837-9472 FAX it@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Lutheran Services in Iowa Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this communication may be confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please return it to the sender immediately and delete the original message and any copy of it from your computer system. If you have any questions concerning this message, please contact the sender.