Hi Pat, One question on the stability patches do you apply in any particular order ? Just wondering do I always need to apply the session down fix last ? Regards, Ronnie From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Pat Coughlin Sent: 14 November 2012 04:43 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Session Down State That is a different problem. 10000 is aa differentload evaluator tripping. Some of the patches post sp2 seem to fix down session issues. Test for yourself, but i sleep better when my boxes are fully patched both with the security fixes and the specials from my list. Pat Coughlin CCIA MCSE. .. On Nov 13, 2012 11:37 PM, "Angela Smith" <angela_smith9@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Hi Pat Can you confirm your server load goes to 10000 when this occurs. I have an issue where session is in a down state and load=10000 Just want to reconfirm before applying these hotfixes. Like you the down state issue occurred after patching.. Thanks Ang ________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 22:56:47 -0500 Subject: [THIN] Re: Session Down State From: strangedog@xxxxxxxxx To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Per MS, the issue indeed extends to both listeners, ICA and RDP. There has not been a security hotfix for Termsrv.dll for years. A couple of supporting components got hotfixed in March, but termsrv.dll was left out. Either of the two articles below fix the issue. I use the newer one (977629) as it has tested without issue and might keep me out of hot water down the road. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/977629 http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958476 Here is the Citrix writeup: http://support.citrix.com/article/CTX133141 Here is Microsoft's writeup: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2653956 This is good info to keep on file for anyone dealing with Citrix/Terminal Services on 2003. Patrick Coughlin CCIA, MCSE.... On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Andrew Wood <andrew.wood@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Alan, Makes sense to me. I only ever experienced the issue in a full TS environment (well XenApp actually). But it could happen either to RDP or ICA connections. Rarely both at the same time - so you could be limping along with RDP broken and ICA fine, or vice versa. In the event log there would be an error message along the lines of an RDP (or ICA) component (a .dll) was missing/corrupt/illegal - so the service was unavailable. There was a suggestion in other KB articles that AV was modifying the file in some way and it should be excluded. This was not the case. I found the only way to fix the problem was to rebuild up until I came across the patch. hth From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hutchinson, Alan Sent: 13 November 2012 12:10 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Session Down State Does this apply to any server (Windows 2003)? i.e. terminal services as opposed to a pure terminal server. We're occasionally seeing a down RDP-Tcp listener after a reboot but not just on terminal servers. Curiously those that are terminal servers usually have the ICA-Tcp listener up !!. Seems to happen more on our VMs (VMware) but last week I had it on a physical box. It's not 100% clear from the KB below. Let me know if any of that didn't make any sense. Regards, Alan. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andrew Wood Sent: 12 November 2012 17:15 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Session Down State ..was just typing *this will be it* .. then I see Ronnie has already replied. From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Raffensberger, Stephen D Sent: 07 November 2012 13:14 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Session Down State Ronnie, Try this...http://support.microsoft.com/kb/958476 Steve Raffensberger Produban US sraffens@xxxxxxxxxxx From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Hamilton, Ronnie Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:36 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Session Down State Hi, Just been patching my Windows 203 Servers with the last 3 months windows patches, I was my doubts but have now proved that when I put these patches on every time I reboot I get a session down. I have just finished rebuilding a couple of servers and have one still to do. So I tried patching another one and same problem, has anyone identified the patch or had similar issues lately. This there were 30 patches in all, going to have to try and identify which one. 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