The use of single drives was mainly down to our extremely cash-starved environment but 9GB is more than adequate for us. All servers have MS Office, NT4TSE, MF1.8 and our patient admin app on a 4GB partition with over 50% free. The rest is used to keep the pagefile seperate. The servers require ECC memory and user profiles are stored on an external fileserver. A few of the servers are running mirrored so that we can quickly generate a replacement system drive if a single-drive machine fails. Spec the servers for the job, that's my motto. I personally would have no problem with deploying IDE machines in a sizeable Citrix farm but 1U rack mount models are pretty rare ;-) -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Danilychev [mailto:teknica@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: 15 January 2003 09:35 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations Well... it is late here, but ... 9GB + no mirror? How many users do you have, what apps do you run and where do you hide user profiles? In old days 4GB was OK, this days 9GB - no way. Use mirror (real hardware RAID)! If single drive is an option - no reason to use ECC memory either. By the same token PCs with IDE drives can be "deployed" as MetaFrame boxes. ALEX >From: "Rowlandson, John" <John.Rowlandson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 20:08:00 +1100 > > > > >my 20 new dell blade boxes came with 74Gb disks... > >why? cos you can't buy much smaller over here nowadays and they arent = >much dearer than the next size disk > >who knows what job they'll have in 12 months if they arent MF boxes. > >we also have 1 config of blade, 1 config of 2650, 1 config of 1650 etc = >etc > >JOhn > >-----Original Message----- >From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2003 8:03 PM >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations > > > >We use mostly single 9GB hard drives in the Citrix boxes. You shouldn't = >be >storing any data on the servers so you only need space for the operating >system and apps. We have a few mirrored drives so that we can quickly >rebuild a server in the event of a drive failure. I wouldn't see a need = >for >anything more complex than mirroring.=20 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Spears [mailto:jerry@xxxxxxxxx] >Sent: 14 January 2003 17:05 >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations > > > >What level of raid do you recommend? > >-----Original Message----- >From: Angus Macdonald [mailto:Angus.Macdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20 >Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:58 AM >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Re: Server recommendations > > >We run a farm of Dual P3/800 machines with 2GB RAM each, running a >fairly >intensive patient admin app. Each server handles up to 40 users >concurrently >and we've yet to meet a performance problem. Your servers should be >fine. >I'd still go for a pair if I were you, for redundancy. Even a single >server >should manage what you want although IE isn't the most thin-client >friendly >app. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rink, Jesse [mailto:JRink@xxxxxxxxxxxx] >Sent: 14 January 2003 16:48 >To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [THIN] Server recommendations > > >Looking for some feedback here. I worked a lot with load balanced farms >and >NFuse in the past with Winframe and Metaframe 1.8, but I haven't used >Citrix/TS in about 2 years so I'm kinda rusty. XP wasn't even available >when I was managing my Citrix servers so I'm clueless when it comes to >XP. >That being said, be nice to me, haha. >=3D20 >I'm currently considering updating one of our computer labs (in the high >school) which has older PII machines. The original thought was to buy >brand >new PCs but I'm starting to reconsider and thinking about going Citrix >(or >maybe just terminal services) and re-using the old PCs. The older PII >machines should be enough to work as thin clients. The PCs are mainly >used >to surf the internet (IE), Office XP (mainly Word, Publisher, Power >Point), >a speech program, and a CAD program. =3D20 >=3D20 >I was tentatively looking at using Citrix XP with load balancing for the >lab. (2) IBM x345 servers with dual 2GHz processors, 1GB memory, and a >single 36GB drive. I've always been under the theory that when you use >Citrix load balancing, it's more cost effective to NOT stock your >servers >with redundant power supplies, redundant drives, redundant NICs, etc. >since >the redundancy is taken care of via load balancing instead of at the >server >level. This keeps my cost of hardware cheaper, which saves me money to >afford the load balancing piece for Citrix or software assurance, etc. >=3D20 >My question is whether or not the proposed server setup listed above >would >be adequate for this lab. All 30 PCs would be used at the same time, so >I >could POSSIBLY have 30 users using internet explorer at the same time so >I >need my servers capable of handling this load. I was originally >thinking >having (2) IBM x345 servers with a single processor, but I'm leaning >towards >dual processors. I'm looking for feedback from people on whether my >server >config would be adequate or whether I need more servers/hardware.=3D20 >=3D20 >If memory serves me correctly, and it probably doesn't, I thought a dual >processor PIII Xeon processor server with a lot of memory could easily >handle 25 users. If that's true, then my configuration with two servers >would be overkill. =3D20 >=3D20 >Thoughts? 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