[THIN] Re: Secure Gateway status ?
- From: "Braebaum, Neil" <Neil.Braebaum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:46:16 -0000
Very good point - by know, many companies have implemented some form of VPN -
and as you say, VPN design and solutions tend to be provided and looked after
by network-y / firewall-y groups - not normally the Windows-type people who
support and provide Citrix / TS.
Now from a consultants perspective, I can see how that would be of little
concern - but in real world scenarios, in all but say the smallest of
companies, you'd be fighting against other groups and politics.
Neil
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Jeff Pitsch
Sent: 23 February 2006 23:38
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Secure Gateway status ?
Why spend the money on a CSG replacement? Most mid to large companies already
have VPN solutions in place and don't want a second VPN solution as well. Most
companies vpn's are controlled by the network group, not the windows group.
citrix has no in to the network group and that's much harder to get.
Jeff
On 2/23/06, Joe Shonk <joe.shonk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
How do you figure? It's a perfect match for those companies using Presentation
Server. The fact that it can act as a drop in replacement for their existing
CSG is a big selling point. From there, the customer can start leveraging the
additional benefits of the box (VPN, End Point Checking, AAC features, etc).
Many of our customers are telling us that end-point checking and security is
now a requirement, not an option. CSG no long fits that bill. I like CSG. It
still has its place, but the market is evolving.
Joe
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Jeff Pitsch
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:56 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Secure Gateway status ?
True but you don't have to pay extra for connection licenses.
People are right though, CAG offers so much mor than CSG. I think it's worth
the price. It's just that those that do Presentation Server aren't typically
the people that you would seel CAG too.
Jeff
On 2/23/06, Steve Greenberg < steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Not to mention that while everyone says CSG is "free" I guarantee you that most
users run it on a server that costs more than $2495 including the OS!
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joe Shonk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:22 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Secure Gateway status ?
To Citrix's defence tho... They do add alot of value and it keeps getting
better. If you take a look at what Citrix is doing (and going to do) with the
CAG line, it's easy to understand why they want to drop CSG. So far the CAG is
a hot item and has generated a lot of interest from customers.
Joe
On 2/23/06, Matthew Shrewsbury < MShrewsbury@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You got it…it's all about the money. The biggest problem with Citrix is the
pricing.
Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Server+
Senior Network Administrator
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Joe Shonk
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:11 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN ] Re: Secure Gateway status ?
Even Extranet went the way of the Dodo... I would expect to hear an
annoucement come iforum. Remember Citrix's main goal is to be a billion dollar
company. Giving CSG away doesn't generate revenues and takes away from CAG
sales.
Joe
On 2/23/06, Edward VanDewars < evandewars@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
But you also have to spend an additional $75+ dollars per concurrent user for
licensing - above and beyond what you have already spent on normal Citrix
licenses (not to mention the cost of the device - for which you could put in
2-3 CSG servers). That's the deal breaker for us (since we really don't need
the SSL VPN, just a secure connection back to the Citrix Farm) and no amount of
up-front CSG configuration costs could ever outweigh that.
I understand that it won't be going anywhere right now, but there is a certain
level of discomfort in knowing that part of our infrastructure will eventually
be phased out - especially if we don't know exactly when that will happen.
On 2/22/06, Jeremy Saunders < jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Jeff is right. They will not phase out for some time as CSG has its place
with every Presentation Server deployment. What they are trying to do is
justify CAG over CSG as replacement by showing the dollars involved in
purchasing and setting them up.
CSG
-Need hardware.
-Need time to build it.
-Need to harden the good old Windows OS.
-Need a certificate
-Etc, etc, etc
CAG
-Need to configure it.
-Need a certificate.
So they are trying to say that CAG is cost effective.
Then of course you can do some really cool stuff with policies, and CAG can
also replace your existing remote VPN solution. So it doesn't just replace
CSG...it is so much more. It can replace your cludgy Cisco or Checkpoint
VPN solution and is so much more user friendly for the end users.
You can also "partner" the CAGs for redundancy. Doing this with CSG is not
a technically sound solution
And yes...I also believe that CAG will be rolled up into the NetScaler
hardware down the track. The activation codes will turn on the different
functions of the NetScaler, with CAG being one of them.
It's all very cool stuff, but CSG is an awesome product for its price :)
Kind regards,
Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist
Integrated Technology Services &
Cerulean
IBM Australia
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thin
Everyone, do not overreact.
let's get serious here for a minute. CSG has only been truly updated once
over the past few years. Do not overreact to this news, CSG is still a
great FREE product.
Jeff
On 2/22/06, Greg Reese <gareese@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
that sucks. the CAG is their little appliance device right? It figures
that as soon as I got something running right, it would get tanked. My
next hurdle is smartcards. Lets hope they leave that one alone.
Greg
On 2/23/06, Rob Slayden < rslayden@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Had a Citrix product presentation at work today and the indication was
that the new Citrix Access Gateway product is supplanting CSG. I
specifically asked if this was a CSG replacement and was told that it
was. Sorry Greg!!
rob
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Greg Reese
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 3:29 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Secure Gateway status ?
I hope now. I just got it running nice and smooth.
On 2/23/06, M < mathras@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Can anyone confirm if development of Secure Gateway is to cease ?
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