This makes you wonder what these Cert are worth in real life situations. Louis "For even the very wise cannot see all ends." Gandalf, Fellowship of the Ring -----Original Message----- From : Robert Barrett [mailto:RobertB@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:16 To : 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject : [THIN] Re: CCA #220 Practice Exam Beef Before I started IT my degree was in engineering so I can say without hesitation that all exams are like that. I have never believed in exams as a test of knowledge, rather a test of memory. They test things that you would never do in the real world, if you are not 110% sure of what you are doing in the real world then you look it up, research it or ask people in a group like this. If we look at MS exams as an example there is a wrong answer, a MS answer and the correct answer for the real world. _____ From: Schneider, Chad M. [mailto:CMSchneider@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:08 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Amen, brother. I think you have just spoken for the community on that one. :) _____ From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Nope. Having been looking at these tests since the winframe days they have gotten better. But the problem is that lots of questions deal with little minute things. I used to know they guys that made most of the tests before they cleaned out education and got rid of some really good people. I have know idea about their process now, but the questions are still as detailed as ever. The problem I see with these tests (as with most IT cert tests) is that they are written by trainers. People looking to see if you remembered something taught in a class (like which button does X, what options are available for blah). Now, while I understand the limitations, that these people face and the problems they have writing exams that everyone can understand I also feel that knowing the larger concepts and how to do something is more important than remembering something minute like a specific registry key that was on page 425 as a note.... I mean if you know how to do it, and understand the concepts you would find the registry, but might not remember the entire path. Anyway just my .02 cents Ron Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Lambert [mailto:rlambert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:54 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CCA #220 Practice Exam Beef Thanks for confirming that for me, guys. I was freaking out thinking I had missed something somewhere. Thought maybe the Citrix Gnome ran off with my "Newer clients only" radio box. -----Original Message----- From: Ron Oglesby [mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:47 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: CCA #220 Practice Exam Beef Well as a former instructor of this stuff I used to point these types of questions out. If you really know how the update works the ANY client really mean any client but the version you have enabled. So if you have enabled 4.21.769 anyone older or NEWER will get this client. Now does it work well.. Not always but the answers would be A and C. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Lambert [mailto:rlambert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 9:03 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] CCA #220 Practice Exam Beef Can anyone explain the logic behind this answer? Q: Which versions of the ICA Client will the ICA Client Update Configuration utility update? (Choose all that apply.) A. Older versions only B. Newer versions only. C. Older or newer versions. D. The version that is specified explicitly by number. My answer was A, C. The test insists A,B,C... however I don't see that this is accurate. You can set it to update older client versions only, or update any version of the client with the current one in the database. While this will update a newer client if it is not the same... it is not "Newer versions only". Am I missing something? -- Ryan Lambert Systems & Network Engineer NetSource 1242 East 49th Street Suite 0503-B, Third Floor Cleveland, OH 44114 Ph/Fax: 216-373-2757 http://www.netsourceit.com <http://www.netsourceit.com>