I agree. Not all that bad. If you have servers being constrained by memory you can turn this on to help. As Joe said be ware that it takes memory away form the kernel. i.e. if you have apps with large memory requirements which dictates a handful of users per server it works well. If you are looking to boost users numbers and the apps used only use small amount of memory I doubt you have that much to gain except squeezing on those last few users. Using this setting may dictate that you need to do some kernel memory tweaking as well especially in windows 2000. Brian Madden has an excellent article amount kernel tweaking etc I think it includes PAE etc but I can't find the link. And one last thing. Make sure you test it !!!! Malcolm ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe Shonk Sent: 12 January 2007 18:53 To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Quick PAE question It's not all that bad. It does allow for the unused memory that the Servers (not just IBM) grab for PCI-X, etc to be remapped. The bad thing about PAE is it takes away kernel memory space and processing overhead because the OS now has to create a table, map and track that memory. It's a hardware thing, and not really an OS thing. The 3.2 gigs is what is reported when the system POSTs. Joe ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay P. Moock Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:40 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Quick PAE question Definitely a bad thing unless the app supports it (such as SQL with AWE enabled). As far as the 4 vs 3.2/3.5 issue, I've seen it caused by differences between OS's (Win2k would see less than Win2k3), as well by differences in Video cards (obviously this shouldn't be the case with Blades). I would check the BIOS settings on servers that do differ, because I seem to recall that there are certain settings that will allow a video card to steal memory from the system, but I could be mistaken. ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Pardee Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:24 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Quick PAE question I don't remember the final answer, but was /PAE a good thing or a bad thing? We have a couple hundred IBM HS20 Blades, and on some Blades that OS sees all 4GB of memory and on other it may see 3.2GB or 3.5GB of memory. Same BIOS version on most. Adding /PAE we see it all but for some reason I remember this being a bad thing instead of a good thing to do. Windows2003 Standard Edition with SP1. Thanks in advance. -- Michael Pardee www.blindsquirrel.org