For sheer size of spool files I have found PCL5e(if we are talking about HP) is still in the <big> range and in WAN situations has given as much trouble for me as the other drivers mentioned. Not sure that all of the features such as color printing are compatible with the desire to use smaller more efficient drivers over the WAN. Try the 'HP LaserJet 4'/'HP LaserJet 4000 or 5000 Series PCL' the latter may give slighly more features on higher series model but reperesents still an older/more stable driver generating a smaller spool file without choking up the TS\Citrix box as it sends the print job back down the WAN. If users expect to print everything and everyway from remote than harder to scale down to using these drivers. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew Shrewsbury Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:20 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Printing PDF's get too big I'm using CutePDF in Citrix to generate PDF files and the version you purchase has an option to set the output quality as a global setting. I've set it to be pretty low quality but looks good and I generally don't get large PDFs. On our WAN I've prioritized our ICA traffic and am using just normal network printers so the printer traffic is outside the ICA channel. I find that although we might download a large PDF and it might be a little slow printing it doesn't slow the Citrix session down at all. As far as actually answering your question, I think the spool size is greatly affected by the printer driver and I suspect that PCL5e would be the best choice and generic drive if possible. I've had most of these types of issues with color printers and resolved by trying different generic drivers until one works. Matthew Shrewsbury Network Manager Coscan Homes, LLC -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Parr Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:09 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: Printing PDF's get too big If it is just staright-thru printing ie. no special features try 'HP LaserJet 4' for a much smaller sool file than the drivers you mention. Will be much faster printing as well. Acrobat reader initself should not be an issue, if your using Adobe writers tho better to user something such as PDF995 whih is more TS\Citrix friendly however that may still not help with reducing the spool file size. -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeremy Saunders Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:14 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Printing PDF's get too big Hi All, Got a client running PS4 on Win2K3 SP1, with all patches. Unfortunately, due to their main line of business app not supporting EMF printing, we are unable to use the UPD. We are finding that their PDF print jobs get very large...much larger than the original PDF. Being a WAN environment, we have set a policy for printer bandwidth to 30k. May seem small, but that's all we can afford to allow per session. So when printing PDF's, many of them create large spool jobs and take a long time to print. 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