[THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
- From: Nick Smith <nick@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'" <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:32:03 +0100
And, if it does, whether it interoperates OK with the other apps - is there
anything outside Office?
Hmmm...not sure how you'd handle the licensing costs, but given you have a W2k8
machine, could you virtualise say 5 or 6 XP boxes on it instead of the TS? Then
use RDP to connect?
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Evan Mann
Sent: 26 August 2009 16:23
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
Yes, TS is still needed. Remote users need access to a repository of local
files. The remote users all need to run their e-mail from the local LAN, so
they can attach files from the repository, and save files to the repository out
of their e-mail.
They sell App-V licenses with and without SA. If all you really need is a
App-V User CAL for TS, it's about $10-15 w/o SA and $30 with SA. I'd have to
test all this out first though, and I have no access to App-V software to know
if it would even allow Cached Mode to be enabled.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Russell Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:54 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
If you go for SBS, you may not need TS? Is there a separate app you need to
access? The other option if you have SBS is to run Outlook Anywhere (used to be
called RPC over http), which actually uses cached mode Exchange and sounds like
an option.
Interesting one with App-V, don't you still need Software Assurance to get
App-V? I know there were changes in licensing (again) but the new license was
an annual one.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Evan Mann
Sent: 26 August 2009 15:12
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
Been there too. Can't run terminal services on SBS. About the only way this
works out is to get SBS 2008 premium. Since that includes extra Server 2008
licenses, I could load the server with 2008 Standard and run Hyper-V. Inside
of Hyper-V, I can run SBS. They would connect to the physical server for
terminal services, and SBS would be in the VM. I run SBS2008 in a VM in
another environment, so I know that works.
Assuming I could return the 2008 Standard license in exchange for an SBS 2008
Premium license (server purchased from Dell, still within 30 days). It's
another $1000 more than was spent on Server 2008 Standard. The owner isn't
going to go for spending more cash. He's already nuts about how much money
he's had to spent to try and get these remote guys secure access under his
terms.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Russell Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:59 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
Actually sounds like you'd be better of with Small Business Server given the
points below. But that's going to cost you for a retail copy of SBS 2008... but
would give you full Exchange 2007, OWA, Direct Push, SharePoint Services,
remote access...
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Evan Mann
Sent: 26 August 2009 14:53
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
I'm way ahead of you there. Looked at Google Apps first. He didn't like the
way Google Docs worked. Also looked at Sharepoint, didn't like that either.
At the end of the day, he is set in his ways and likes accessing his files on
his local LAN through windows. It's fast, he's done it that way for 6 years,
and he doesn't want to have to change that for himself. Changing the user is
the hardest thing.
I discussed full cloud, but he doesn't like the fact that he'd be in the cloud
and his speed of working would be effected. He also has some "big brother"
issues that I've been working on for the past 2 years. He's finally going to
agree to online backup, but it took 2 years of recommending it. Having him work
entirely in the cloud would probably never materialize.
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Greg Reese
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Outlook Exchange Cached Mode
This is exactly the type of business that Google Apps for business was designed
for. legitimate email, cloud storage. Surprised that doesn't work better.
As for cached exchange mode, I don't know of any other hacks to try. You could
slap together something with VDI but you would be introducing a level of
complexity that overshadows the benefits.
Greg
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:27 AM, Evan Mann
<emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:emann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I'm supporting a small home based HVAC business that has a 2008 Terminal Server
so a few field employees can connect in remotely to access a repository of
documents. They want to legitimize themselves on e-mail and stop using
yahoo/gmail/ISP e-mails. I've signed them up for a Hosted Exchange service but
ran into a problem last night. No cached exchange mode in Terminal Server due
to the disabling of support for OST files (and offline files in general)
Quick search, yes, disabled on purpose by MS. Lots of potential hacks, none of
them work. I tried a few things of my own, but no go. I know the reasons for
disabling OST, but none of them are concerns for this small business who has 3
users who use terminal server. Moving to in house e-mail is not an option.
Hosted Exchange without cached mode is simply not usable. Most e-mails contain
a minimum attachment size of 1 MB and even working through text only e-mails in
the mailbox is painfully slow. Moving e-mail in house is not a viable option.
The best I can do is setup these users for IMAP, but they lose all the
collaboration benefits. Some would consider the simply fix is to deploy
Outlook Anywhere to their local desktop, but that doesn't do much good when 99%
of their e-mailing requirements saving/attaching of company documents, only
available on the terminal server.
There is no budget to spend more money to change the way things work. So I'm
out of ideas. Does anyone know of some "inside" info to enable OST/Cached Mode
support on 2008 TS?
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