## [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost

• From: "Bernd Harzog" <Bernd.Harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx>
• To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
• Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 12:54:29 -0400

```Let me do the math for you a different way. Let's assume that you have =
12 servers and 360 concurrent users (30 per server). Your company =
decides to add another 120 concurrent users (totaling 480 concurrent =
users). Now you have two choices:

For another 120 concurrent users you need 120/30 or four servers. Four =
servers will cost you 4*\$6,000 or \$24,000.

for a total cost of \$12,000. This option gets you 480 concurrent users =
on your exiting servers and saves you \$12,000 out of pocket.

One other thing to point out. Once you have the servers it costs money =
every month to keep them. Most companies that we ask (and who have done =
the math) tell us that it costs around \$1,000 a month to own a server =
(outside of the cost of acquiring it). So, even assuming the server was =
FREE, if you can avoid buying four servers you save \$4,000 a month. So, =
if you spend \$12,000 up front on TScale licenses to avoid spending =
\$4,000 a month, you get payback in three months.

Hope this helps,

Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From:   Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=20
Sent:   Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:20 PM
To:     thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:        [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost

Math is not my strongest suit, but if I can get 33% more users, then I
save 1/3 of a server (\$2000).  But I purchased a \$3000 license to get
it.
My math comes out to \$6000, first server.
\$12000 for the second and third.  This is \$18000.  Then I need 3 \$3000
licenses for a total of \$27000.
This will give me the same capacity as a 4 server purchase at \$24000,
but I lose the bad app benefit.
I may be using the old math though.
Again, I apologize.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 12:10 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost

Now, you realize you have just asked for a sales pitch :)

The math for duals. Duals cost around \$6000 by the time you add in the =
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OS license, the memory, the networking, power, and rack overhead. You =
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can get at least 33% more users per server by putting TScale on it. That
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applications thrown in for good measure). Bottom line, you save \$3,000.

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everything in. You can get at least 33% more users per server by putting
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\$6,000.

I hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From:   Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent:   Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:51 AM
To:     thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:        [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost

increase the number of users I can put on a server, you will charge me
more to have a server that will handle what I am paying you for your
software to do?
I am not sure I understand.  I like the simple to understand, per user
license.  I never buy any software that has a hardware key (way too 1980
for me).
Just my limited knowledge showing, again I apologize.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:32 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost

I am not about to defend AppSense :).=3D3D3D3D20

We charge \$995 for duals (real duals) and \$1,995 for quads (real quads).
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house than a 3 bedroom - bigger house requires more carpet.

In my humble opinion what this is really all about is striking a balance
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enhancements. We work really hard at maintaining that balance here at =
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Cheers,

Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From:   Shonk, Joe - Perot [mailto:JShonk@xxxxxxx]=3D3D3D3D20
Sent:   Wednesday, April 21, 2004 11:21 AM
To:     'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject:        [THIN] Re: OT now how much will it cost

Yup,  and to reroof your house shouldn't cost more that the house did.
(ie.. the Appsense suite goes for \$3400,  I can buy a server plus the OS
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for
that)

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:jstockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 7:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] OT now how much will it cost

For the same reason that, if you have a faster car, gas will cost twice
as much.  Wait a minute, they don't do that.  Maybe it only costs more
if your car can hold more people.  Wait, they don't do that either.
Maybe it's like, if you have a lot of land, the builder will charge you
more to work on your house.  No, they don't do that.
I don't understand why after all.  It is probably my limited knowledge.
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Claudio Rodrigues
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 9:58 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB
again

I know that. The whole point is that as a developer of TS related apps,
I just do not get why charge people twice the price just because
magic US\$ 1000 number that I have heard a couple times from people on
the TS arena. Well I guess I need to shut my mouth. :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Bernd Harzog
Sent: April 21, 2004 9:29 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB
again

Just so everyone knows how this works. There is an OS API call that you
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the whole server dramatically.

Cheers,

Bernd Harzog
CEO
RTO Software, Inc.
bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx
678-455-5506 x701
www.rtosoft.com

-----Original Message-----
From:   Claudio Rodrigues =3D3D3D3D3D
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Sent:   Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:54 AM
To:     thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:        [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE
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again

Tricerat makes you pay for every single CPU instance the OS finds. :-(

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Evan Mann
Sent: April 21, 2004 8:50 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB
again

I'm glad Microsoft doesn't try to get you for 2 processors licenses for
every single HT enabled processor you have.  2 dual Xeon boxes is bad
enough to licenses, but if you had to pay for 8 CPUs total, ouch!
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Svein Arild Haugum
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:39 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] SV: Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB again

Yes, its true, you need SQL Enterprise edition to use more than 2GB for
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Mvh
Svein Arild

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Sendt: 20. april 2004 20:22
Til: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Emne: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB again

I don't agree with the statement that SQL will cap at 2GB on a 4GB box.
Using the /3GB switch will allow the SQL service to address 3GB of RAM

I do believe you need to be using the Enterprise Edition of SQL for it
to access more than 2GB of RAM, though.

Brian

brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Henry Sieff
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:57 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE /3GB again

It'll 'use' it, but it won't use it for SQL or exchange - that'll cap at
2
GB on a 4 GB box. I do the same thing; pretty much the only servers I
don't do that with are Citrix and file/print. Also played around with
AWE on SQL, but it actually didn't work out for me (this was early on in
SQL2K, though, so maybe I will revisit the issue).

Henry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:53 AM
> To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On

>Behalf Of Henry Sieff
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:48 AM
> To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
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> > Subject: [THIN] OT: SQL 2000 on Win2K3 Server, /PAE =3D3D3D3D3D3D
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